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Commenting article: Turkey Moves to Downgrade Relations with Israel over 2010 Flotilla Raid

Turkey will downgrade diplomatic relations with Israel to the lowest level and suspend key commercial and military agreements with it over its refusal to apologize for the 2010 Mavi Marmara flotilla raid.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu revealed his country's measures on Friday after a UN probe into Israel's deadly raid on a 2010 flotilla to Gaza known as the Palmer Commission Report, were leaked to The New York Times Thursday

The way Israeli forces boarded the vessels trying to break that blockade 15 months ago was excessive and unreasonable, even though Israel's naval blockade of Gaza is both legal and appropriate. the report says, according to The New York Times.

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#1
hercules - 2 Sep 2011 // 16:12:49

Well-done Turkey

Jerusalem sources have pointed out that the report shows Israel's actions did not violate international law, Ynet has reported.

One man shaving with a safety razor had three bullets put into the back of his head at point blank range and the excuse was that he had a dangerous weapon….

The days of Israel doing what they like and getting away with it are coming to an end, the balance of power is now changing and they will be the losers!

#2
sa-sha - 3 Sep 2011 // 08:26:01

Right move...

#3
mavro from australia - 3 Sep 2011 // 12:38:39

Turkey who is blockading Cyprus through the middle all of a sudden doesn't agree with the Gaza blockade. It's obvious by looking at the video that the Israeli troops were set upon by the protestors of a blockade that Turkey itself supported. How can the UN say that Israel was heavy handed when it admits that Israel is right in blocking the Gaza coast in the first place. The Turks are just looking for any excuse to dstance itself from Israel and assert their own regional influence in the Middle East.

#4
hercules - 3 Sep 2011 // 12:58:13

How can the UN say that Israel was heavy handed when it admits that Israel is right in blocking the Gaza coast in the first place.

Simple, because the two things aren’t equated

I suggest that you check the rules of engagement for normal naval encounters like this one; also the Cyprus issue with Turkey is irrelevant in this matter.

#5
Dino the Athenian - 3 Sep 2011 // 15:39:19

How to troll a Turk (an excerpt from Encyclopedia Dramatica):

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Turkey

#6
Dino the Athenian - 3 Sep 2011 // 15:45:07

Hercules:

You ignorant Turk(wait, I just said the same thing twice), with your disgusting Turkish nonsense and your non-stop punctuated idiocy.

The UN report endorsed 100% the Israeli action and it was a big, fat slap in Turkey's impotent face.

The whole world is laughing at your insecure reaction and try to make it look like Turkey has any other option other than to put tail between its legs and disappear for a while.

#7
viking - 3 Sep 2011 // 18:30:46

Dino,

According to my local paper (affiliate of the NY Times) it was reported the UN slapped both Turkey and Israel on the wrist.
You are kinda hard on anyone from Turkey.

Don

#8
Dino the Athenian - 3 Sep 2011 // 19:11:24

Don:

Turkey's whole case was based on the legality of the Israeli action and International Law of the Sea, which BTWTturkey refuses to be a signatory of.

On the issue of legality Turkey lost 100%.

The UN report spoke of excessive response by the Israeli commandos, but that was more of an empty gesture.

The Israeli Navy and Army are not a civilian police force. Therefore you can not accuse them of excessive force because no such standard applies to trained military.

The rules of the military are such so when someone stubs you, hits you with a pipe and otherwise threatens your life you shoot back and kill.

The Israeli commandos boarded the ship with paint guns. When they met with violence against them (clearly recorded in the video), they pulled side arms and shot to kill.

The message is simple:

Don't mess around with Israel in its own territory and right above the Leviathan gas field find which will satisfy Israel's energy needs for the next 50 years and beyond.

Erdogan knew all of this and used a bunch of fanatic islamists to go down there and create an issue for Turkey to lay claim over resources that Turkey has not even a remote legal claim over.

#9
hercules - 3 Sep 2011 // 19:39:41

Dino, when you start to insult people because they don’t agree with what you’ve said, then you have lost the argument and all credibility.

Because I have stood up for Turkey now and in past against your bigoted remarks you automatically think I’m a Turk, which I’m not.

I have met a lot of Greeks over the years and have never found them anything like you or so offensive, so it seems that you are the odd one out.

Sarkan has asked this question before which has never received a reply…. Have you ever been to Turkey of Bulgaria ?

#10
Dino the Athenian - 3 Sep 2011 // 22:12:45

Hercules:

I want you to take your sorry ass out of here and disappear.

You have nothing to contribute for Bulgaria's benefit.

You just throw your idiotic remarks here and there with "Bravo Turkey and good job Turkey and kiss my ass Turkey".

So this is you FINAL notice. Get lost.

#11
mavro from australia - 4 Sep 2011 // 01:42:22

Any country would have done what Israel did under the same circumstances.

It seems that the Israelis are supposed to the world's only Christians in the sense that they should be the ones to always turn the other cheek.

What's to say that Turkey wouldn't of simply blown those ships out of the water and be done with it?? What would Turkey do if they had the same problem?

#12
hercules - 4 Sep 2011 // 10:31:11

You just throw your idiotic remarks here and there with "Bravo Turkey and good job Turkey and kiss my ass Turkey".

So this is you FINAL notice. Get lost.



Dino,

The hole that you are digging is getting deeper… Answer the questions and stop prevaricating!

#13
hercules - 4 Sep 2011 // 10:54:35

It seems that the Israelis are supposed to the world's only Christians in the sense that they should be the ones to always turn the other cheek.

What's to say that Turkey wouldn't of simply blown those ships out of the water and be done with it?? What would Turkey do if they had the same problem?

marvo,

Your argument about what Turkey would have done under the same circumstances is not applicable or relevant and has no bearing on what actually happening…. We are talking about the Israelis actions!

The Israelis have recently proved that they never turn a” blind eye” to anything, with the assassination of a Hamas leader in Dubai, 11 Lebanese protesters shot dead on the border with Lebanon and 5 Egyptian policemen shot dead on the Egyptian border.

How are the International forces treating the Somali pirates, who are heavy armed?

#14
BULERICAN - 4 Sep 2011 // 11:59:52

Author: mavro from australia, 4 Sep 2011 01:42:22
Turkey Moves to Downgrade Relations with Israel over 2010 Flotilla Raid



...It seems that the Israelis are supposed to the world's only Christians in the sense that they should be the ones to always turn the other cheek...

Psssssst ! Hey Mavro !

Israelis (Jews) are NOT Christians - The messiah has not come for them yet - They do not follow Jesus Christ, to them he was just another man.

Bottom line, they don't have to turn the other cheek, the live by eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth (Old Testament(Talmud ?) Rules)

#15
mavro from australia - 4 Sep 2011 // 16:13:29

For the amount of problems that Israelis have had now and Jews in general over the centuries, in the last 100 years what have those people actually done wrong?
It's quite true that in the time of Christ the Jews were the Al-Qaeda of the ancient world the Romans needed to put them down. As of late the Arabs have only killed one another with the Lebanese civil war, Saddam Husein's wars, the recent uprising (Arab spring) etc etc. No need for blame shifting.
Turkey now wants to be the hero?? Really?? It's pretty obvious that Turkey just wants regional hegemony.

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