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Commenting article: Ukraine Snubs Discrimination at Summer Camp in Bulgarian Resort

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry has sent a protest note to the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry over discriminatory treatment at a summer camp for children at a Black Sea resort.

According to the Ukrainian authorities, Igor Abesinov, head of a group of animators at the “Mistral” summer camp for children at the resort of Sveti Vlas, banned the wearing of Ukrainian national symbols.

The accusations are based on the testimony of relatives of the children and eyewitnesses.

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#1
Justme - 27 Jul 2014 // 18:39:50

So, don't allow any kids to wear any national symbols, then all is ok. It would seems someone is manipulating Ukraine kids to wear things that would be provocative to other kids from Russia. Is it really necessary to get the kids riled up like this? These western Ukrainians have no low point.

#2
Dogfish - 27 Jul 2014 // 19:45:53

So, since Ukraine has been declared enemy country by Putler & Cie, Ukrainian should hide their identity so as not to irritate our Russian brothers? Unless these "animators" are firmly on the side of Putin (no wonder, they probably started of as Komsomol "animators) the'd better teach these Russian kids to live with people who are different. But oh, I forgot, their oligarch parents bring in the money....

#3
Artem - 27 Jul 2014 // 20:59:09

Ukrainian national shirt classified as a provocation? Adepts of "Russian World" are seriously ill...

#4
Naydenov - 27 Jul 2014 // 21:42:22

That's the problem with Russian tourists, they come but bring their hatreds and violence when they travel. That's why I'm against having so many Russian tourists or home owners in Bulgaria. It might seems like a short term gain but with Russians you always end up losing your shirt. Anybody in Bulgaria is free to wear whatever national symbol they want and if the Russians don't like it then get your sorry asses back to Russia and go and spend your summers in sunny Vladivostok.

#5
Justme - 27 Jul 2014 // 23:28:19

Hi Guys! Come on,,leave the kids alone. They should be on the black sea to rest, enjoy, and meet other people and intermix. Lets keep the symbols out of this environment. As for Russians living in Bulgaria, it is much easier to immerse them into our society than these illegal migrants crossing the border from Turkey. If we don't let other slavs into Bulgaria, we are doomed. The gypsies and foreigners will be the majority sooner than you can imagine.

#6
Boris I - 27 Jul 2014 // 23:56:20

Listen "justme" Russian communist piece of shit: don't call me no Slav. We are Bulgars which is different than Slavs. We share a common language family and, in some cases an alphabet. We aren't the vassals that were reliant on lords. Bulgaria has always fought for it's independence until the Communist takeover after WWII. And then the Bulgarians became good communists; maybe still are. Bulgars are of Mongol descent; hold your head up high and fight to be the leader. You have more in common with Istanbul/Constantinople than with Moscow. Perhaps even a shared fate.

#7
JUSTME - 28 Jul 2014 // 07:53:48

Bulgaria is clearly Russia, and Russia is clearly Bulgaria. We are one. It is not natural to be separated. Our history together should not be tied to communist past, as Russia suffered just as much under that home-grown regime as us. We are all trying to raise our heads together to move on to a better future.

#8
Boris I - 28 Jul 2014 // 08:24:13

To follow Moscow is to follow the fool. Bulgarians left the Volga a millenium-and-a-half ago. They have always sought to be the regional power in the Balkans, including Macedonia, Thrace, and numerous attempts on Constantinople. Then they became the perfect Russian puppet, with secret police carrying out the dictates of Moscow. Bulgaria is at a crossroads: to become Slavs or to become again a free people.

#9
Naydenov - 28 Jul 2014 // 11:09:09

Does your average Bulgarian that looks more like a Tatar, Persian, Greek or even many cases a Gypsy have anything to with Slavs? Of course not, it's pure nonsense fed thru our history books for the sake of placing us in Russia's orbit. Look at a Pole, Czech or Ukrainian, that's a what a real Slav looks like.

We have nothing in common with Russia except the alphabet we gave to them. We are much more a Mediterranean and Near Eastern people than Slavic. We like drinking wine, they like killing themselves with Vodka.

Whoever doesn't agree come and spend a week walking around Bulgaria, you'll see more people with dark hair and dark skin phenotype than you see in Lebanon.

#10
sa-sha - 28 Jul 2014 // 13:45:42

"To follow Moscow is to follow the fool"---;-)!!!
Well, Messrs. Boris I, Naydenov &Co: leaving aside Your hatred to "those Russians", as well as the other, beyond - the - clouds, peaks of Your Spirit and Wisdom, let me remark that, following Your logic, the liberation of Bulgaria in 1878 was nothing else but the Bloody Intervention of Russian Bastards who exterminated the Innocent Turks and deprived Bulgarians of their national centuries-old Holiday: "Turkish Yoke". Still relax: You have now the Irresistible Friendship with USA-EU. When You are nourished by such a Friendship, Your Holiday is Eternal...

#11
Warfou - 28 Jul 2014 // 15:13:00

Contraty to the belief of many (uneducated) people, "Slav" has nothing common with "slave". It is an anglicism deriving from "slovo" what means "word" in almost every Slavonic language. This is because Slavonic people of the Past could understand each other at ease, thus calling themselves "S?owianie" - "people of the Word". Looking from the Slavs' perspective, the Germans were the first to the West not to be understood because they spoke Germanic, so that Poles, Czechs, Russians (and Bulgarians) call them "Niemcy, Nemecko, Nemsko" etc. In Polish, "niemy" stands for "wordless".

#12
Dogfish - 28 Jul 2014 // 20:42:58

This is the first time I see this interpretation. I think it a bit apocrypical, but if it is true, it means the Slavs were just as arrogant - or stupid - as the ancient Greeks, who called everyone they didn't understand "brbr".
A bit of this attitude can be found in present-day Bulgaria, where everyone who doesn't speak their language is supposed to acquire it asap.

#13
Warfou - 29 Jul 2014 // 00:49:04

Arrogance? Well, not unknown among Slavs, but I frankly doubt it reaches a particularly high level for as this place is reserved for someone else, more to the west, so to say. A similarity of Slavonic languages is an important factor and helps countries like Bulgaria or Croatia to develop tourism. This is why so many Poles, Czechs, Russians and Ukrainians are eager to come here. Basic words like e.g. bread (PL, CZ chleb, RU, UA chlieb, BG chliab) or water (PL, CZ, RU, UA, BG - woda) are almost equal, the same for beer (piwo, pivo) , vodka, wine, meat, love thus everything an average, not very educated tourist needs. The problem with Slavs is that they like to quarrel, compete and envy with regard to each other and are strongly divided by tradition. Russia tends to play a leading role, but the western Slavs (especially - the Poles) never accepted it, finding themselves superior in terms of politics, economy and general development, and it is more or less justified. The historic playground between Russians and Poles was... Ukraine. Slavs are also divided by religion (PL, CZ, CRO Roman catholicism/protestantism using Latin alphabet and RU, UA, BG, Serbia - Orthodox - cyrillic alphabet). The orthodox Slavs tend to perceive the western ones as degenaretes and schismatics, while being "backward, dumb peasants" to the "Westerners". Poles have republican traditions dating back to 15th century and are very individualistic by nature, while e.g. Russians, Ukrainians, Serbs and many Bulgarians traditionally prefer community thus tending to submit to a "strong ruler".

#14
Boris I - 29 Jul 2014 // 05:04:14

I would hold reading Wikipedia as the standard of education. Even further, I would say that information on Wikipedia is suspect and should not be taken as knowledge, even less so as education. Her is an alternate online opinion from a website called foreign dispatches. It is more in keeping with more trusted sources (dictionaries) regarding etymology (and still, Bulgars are historically of Mongol descent):

"Slav": An Etymology
This is sure to enrage one or two people, but it's worth discussing, even so.

I've long been aware of the claim that the word "Slav" and "slave" had identical roots, and I've also seen more than my share of vehement denials of any such identity by people of Slavic descent who can't stand to think that their glorious ancestors might have had such a humble past. Still, I never bothered to actually look at the origins of the terms until today, and what I found was most interesting:

[Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages). See Slav.]

Word History: The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slaves and Slavs are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, “Slav, slave,” first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced skl?vs) “Slav,” which appears around 580. Sklavos approximates the Slavs' own name for themselves, the Slovnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in 1538. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. By the 12th century stabilization had given way to wars of expansion and extermination that did not end until the Poles crushed the Teutonic Knights at Grunwald in 1410. ·As far as the Slavs' own self-designation goes, its meaning is, understandably, better than “slave” it comes from the Indo-European root *kleu-, whose basic meaning is “to hear” and occurs in many derivatives meaning “renown, fame.” The Slavs are thus “the famous people.” Slavic names ending in -slav incorporate the same word, such as Czech Bohu-slav, “God's fame,” Russian Msti-slav, “vengeful fame,” and Polish Stani-slaw, “famous for withstanding (enemies).”

#15
Boris I - 29 Jul 2014 // 05:05:33

Correction: I would NOT hold reading Wikipedia as the standard of education.

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