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Commenting article: Boyko Borisov and His Ministers Fiddle ... as Bulgaria Falls Apart!

#31
Emo-bg - 29 Mar 2011 // 23:53:10

Internet is free for now....Just read Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act of 2010...

#32
Emo-bg - 30 Mar 2011 // 00:03:52

DP thank you it is nice indeed!

#33
DP - 30 Mar 2011 // 00:07:22

Emo-bg,

So what?????

Did you enjoy Chopin? Or you watched too much TV as a child...

I give up on you. You failed as teacher...lol

#34
DP - 30 Mar 2011 // 00:10:27

Glad you liked the music, Emo-bg.
I just missed your comment before posting my previous comment. Sorry!

#35
Emo-bg - 30 Mar 2011 // 00:20:42

благодаря!

#36
hercules - 30 Mar 2011 // 08:35:09

DP

There is no difference where a child is born or what the doctrine is, it’s instilling your own thoughts into its mind. In a closed society or where religion is the overwhelming factor, the child does not get any options to compare what its being told and that’s what I classify as ….. brainwashing !

Another example….. there are Bulgarians that are well- educated who think that Stalin was a great leader and not a despot. Also that he never exterminated 20 million of his fellow Russian’s. Todar Zhivkov wanting Bulgaria to be part of Russia is a step to far. Brain washing or conditioning a persons mind so that it only excepts what you have told it.

PS Remember you can’t choose your parents!!

Hercules

#37
Mihail - 30 Mar 2011 // 09:52:54

I think the choice is not so good, people usually have the option of choosing between a few indoctrinations, not between an infinite amount of choice for what to believe.

The other element is what you do to yourself. Brain-washing yourself is a big part of it. It works faster if you don't talk to people with opposing views.

It is easy to miss simple observations and eventually you end up building on top of many fallacies. It is very hard for people to keep all the logical routes to their beliefs "loaded" in memory so eventually they start to consider conclusions as facts.

Propaganda really helps and once those emotions get stirred up, you start looking only for evidence that confirms your biases, never evidence that contradicts them. You avoid people that think differently and you call them "ignorant" and "idiots".

#38
Emo-bg - 30 Mar 2011 // 16:08:16

to further support Mihail's statement:

Propaganda techniques were first codified and applied in a scientific manner by journalist Walter Lippman and psychologist Edward Bernays (nephew of Sigmund Freud) early in the 20th century. Edward Bernays said in his 1928 book Propaganda that, “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”

#39
DP - 30 Mar 2011 // 17:46:37

hercules,

I can only repeat myself—the word “brainwashing” is a relatively new one. It came into use after the fall of communism and it has to do with the consequences of the psychological conditioning perpetrated on generations of oppressed, disfranchised people by ideological fanatics who tried to create the “new person” stripped of his/her individuality and totally subservient to the collective.

Using the word in the case you do is perverting its original meaning and trivializing the intentional damage done on generations of Eastern Europeans. (The other perversion is in the indiscriminate use of the word “genocide” in BG-trivializing the horrific original events relating to the word.)
Here you are even equating “domashnoto vazpitanie” of a child by his/her parents with the brainwashing of an emotionally and intellectually grown up person by ideological megalomaniacs.

If I might add only: Stalin eliminated more than 20, 000, 000 of his own people (actually he was not a Russian, but a Georgian) though should be clarified (even if it puts him in a somewhat better light-if this is possible) his own people were only the communists for nationalism was a dirty word in the Bolshevik’s vocabulary.
As far as the opinion of a well-educated Bulgarians goes I can only say that a well-educated Bulgarian is something of a euphemism to me when it comes to communist’s brats.

And no offence, please! For as you wisely stated in your post:
“ Remember you can’t choose your parents!!”
(Not applicable in societies engaged in class struggle, lol)

#40
Nellieherself - 30 Mar 2011 // 18:34:18

"The other element is what you do to yourself. Brain-washing yourself is a big part of it. It works faster if you don't talk to people with opposing views.

It is easy to miss simple observations and eventually you end up building on top of many fallacies. It is very hard for people to keep all the logical routes to their beliefs "loaded" in memory so eventually they start to consider conclusions as facts.

Propaganda really helps and once those emotions get stirred up, you start looking only for evidence that confirms your biases, never evidence that contradicts them. You avoid people that think differently and you call them "ignorant" and "idiots"."

That's why it is good to debate with people who think differently. It gives you a reality check.

#41
hercules - 30 Mar 2011 // 18:42:49

DP

Before I reply to your comments in more detail, can you please briefly answer this question.. why do you refer to Stalinism as Communism ?

#42
DP - 30 Mar 2011 // 18:54:23

"Stalinism as Communism"???

Before I answer your question, hercules, tell me what do you call it? I have the feeling that you have some very personal/original concepts about much.
And, please, do not try to be provocative...Say what you have to say up front...

#43
hercules - 30 Mar 2011 // 21:31:05

With respect, you are the person that’s seems to have very personal/ concepts about lots of things… nothing wrong with that!

My question is for you to answer and is not in anyway provocative or has any hidden agenda, but forms part of our ongoing discussion.

#44
DP - 30 Mar 2011 // 21:58:04

hercules,

Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, etc...are all part of the theoretical and practical development of communism. However, our conversation was about the meaning of brainwashing. You are trying to change the subject. Still, I indulged you by answering your question. And here is more:

I was born, raised and educated in Bulgaria. I took the compulsory Political Education courses, I lived under Stalin and the cult of his personality during the time of Valko Chervenkov in Bulgaria.

Those are my credentials. What are yours?

#45
Mihail - 31 Mar 2011 // 00:35:03

"I was born, raised and educated in Bulgaria. I took the compulsory Political Education courses, I lived under Stalin and the cult of his personality during the time of Valko Chervenkov in Bulgaria."

I know people that have worked for "socialist/communist" organizations in the west.
These organizations claim to be working for "democratic socialism", however they all exhibit the same characteristics as Leninist/Stalinist/etc Communist regimes.

The structure inside these organizations is a cult of personality, and a total disregard for the welfare of the common member.
Most of these organizations claim to be fighting for worker's rights, but people working for them are exploited and offered minimal or no wage (You cannot escape the market).
However, this is justified as necessary to further the cause.

Indeed there is a lot of theoretical and historical work that can tell you why socialism/communism necessarily will exhibit these characteristics.

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