RSS Forum rules

Topic: Worrisome News

Bill - 16 Nov 2008 // 20:23:49

just me:

"I don't use the nasty language that you guys seem to like."

Who says I like it? I'd much rather not have to use it. It's not part of my normal life. It took ,me a couple of years after I got out of the Navy to weed the profanity out of my language, and I try to keep it that way. But my nerves will take only so much "tweaking" before they start to rebel.

Bill - 16 Nov 2008 // 20:32:57

just me:

In "my day", someone like WW would have had her father put her over his knee and warm her bottom for her, but the do-gooders have all but deprived fathers of that right, and the result is obvious.

FIGMENT - 16 Nov 2008 // 20:36:42


WW being Bulgarian, she probably got lots of spanking at home, but clearly not enough. Or it didn't do her any good. Or maybe she got too much, that's why she is so rebellious now and has issues with men. We will never know, but do we really care? I don't give a fig about WW, she doesn't deserve so much of our attention.

Brian Barker - 16 Nov 2008 // 21:22:43

Talking of worrisome grammar, have you considered Esperanto?

So President-elect Obama's education policy is for everyone to learn a foreign language? But which one should it be?

The British learn French, the Australians study Japanese, and the Americans prefer Spanish.

Yet this leaves Mandarin Chinese out of the equation. Why not Esperanto?

Apparently UNESCO will meet in Paris, on 15th December, to acknowlege Esperanto, as a living language, in conjunction with the International Year of Languages

The great thing about Esperanto is that, as a non-national language, it places all ethnic languages on an equal footing and therefore avoids discrimination against minority languages.An interesting video can be seen at A glimpse of the language can be seen at

Bill - 16 Nov 2008 // 21:32:29


I don't know as the Americans "prefer" Spanish, but it's a necessity, especially in the southwestern part of the countyr.

The US has only two neighboring countries, one of which speaks English. The neighbor to the south speaks Spanish.

My experience in Holland is that although the Dutch understand German, they detest it and prefer English. More than once while I was in Holland, using German, I was asked to speak English. One taxi driver told me, "I don't even like the sound of German".

Given their history in two world wars, I'm not surprised. From what I can tell without personal experience is that the Belgians feel the same way.

If Obamba is talking about learning foreign languages, though, I'll agree with him. I see too many of our people over here in Europe without the capability of navigating. What really bugs me is in large railroad stations when American tourists ask me to help them find their train while directly over their heads is a sign explaining it in three languages, one of which is English! Airports are the same way. There's nearly always signs in English for what you need to know. All you have to do is use your head far enouoght to look for them.

A side effect of learning a foreign language though, is equally important. It forces you to learn grammar, which will improve your English as well.

Bill - 16 Nov 2008 // 22:26:49


I've done a little googling on Esperanto, and what I found leaves me with my initial objection to it.

Why go to the bother of learning an artificial language instead of adopting one which a large number of people already speak?

Chinese, Japanese, Korean are out, because they use ideographs instead of phonetic letters, and the dialects of India are out, because they require using the Sanskrit alphabet. Arabic and Urdo are out, because they, too, use an alphabet that while a lot of people use, isn't widespread.

From my viewpoint, there are better arguments against learning Esperanto than there are for it.

FIGMENT - 16 Nov 2008 // 22:53:17

No, thank you to Esperanto. Half the world population speaks English already. What's the problem?

Hairydave - 16 Nov 2008 // 23:02:47


Looking at yourself on facebook/myspace and then congratulating yourself on your "rack" is really quite odd.
Anyone that's been around here knows who you are - and yet you persist. Granted I imagine being you is not pleasant and it must be a relief to try and be someone else - but you are who you are, try and adjust to it.

Hairydave - 16 Nov 2008 // 23:09:33


Obviously in your day men came home from work and kicked the wife around a bit when dinner wasn't on the table. WW may be offensive to you, but you're the one advocating a violent response.
Also - as WW is a grown woman I find it quite unlikely that even in your day (whenever you believe that to be) she would have been physically chastised by her father for being strident and forthright in her opinions.
The "things were better in my day" record is getting a little scratched and has been uttered by every generation since we came down from the trees, it's as meaningless now as it was then. Things were different - qualifying them as "better" blinds you to aspects of life at a social and economic level that have improved. You may not like today, but I'd rather be here than in the 50s, or even the 80s!

Hairydave - 16 Nov 2008 // 23:14:45

There is no point in Esperanto.
It's an interesting phenomena with no real practical use. The idea that it is a truly international language with no cultural baggage ignores the blatantly obvious fact that it's construction is based on languages of indo-european type. Thus those languages of other bases (such as Japanese or Arabic) have no commonality with it. Even the name "Esperanto" seems to sound European.
It's of historical interest, and a legitimate hobby. That's about it.

Eurotourist - 16 Nov 2008 // 23:15:42


It's true what they say, "Nostalgia aint what it used to be!"

Eurotourist - 16 Nov 2008 // 23:26:35


Bullshit. According to experts at the Department of Communication, University of Washington, 20% of the worlds population speak English.

FIGMENT - 16 Nov 2008 // 23:44:19


20% speak English as a first language. I bet at least 80% speak English as a second language. I don't know many Europeans or even Bulgarians who don't speak English. Do you?

Eurotourist - 16 Nov 2008 // 23:55:53


Bulgarians? Yes. Most who live in villages and most townies over about 35.

Bill - 17 Nov 2008 // 00:55:18


"Obviously in your day men came home from work and kicked the wife around a bit when dinner wasn't on the table."

Bullshit!! Where were you brought up, if that was the norm? Certainly not in my family or anyone else's that I knew at the time. There was more discipline all the way around, not just at home.

I have no objection to a woman (or anyone else) voicing their opinions, but NO ONE is entitled to throw insults at those who disagree with him/her. As I've said before, it isn't WHAT WW does, it's HOW she does it. Now if you want to condone blatant rudeness and foul language, that's your prerogative, but I don't.

There's a big difference between training a child and disciplining an adult, too. Sometimes "physical response" is the ONLY way to get an idea through to them. I'm not advocating beathing the dhile to death, but contrary to Dr. Spock, a little "physical response" now and then doesn't "hurt their little egos".

Bulgaria news (Sofia News Agency - is unique with being a real time news provider in English that informs its readers about the latest Bulgarian news. The editorial staff also publishes a daily online newspaper "Sofia Morning News." (Sofia News Agency - and Sofia Morning News publish the latest economic, political and cultural news that take place in Bulgaria. Foreign media analysis on Bulgaria and World News in Brief are also part of the web site and the online newspaper. News Bulgaria