"But there is so much hatred towards Moslems and especially the Turkish people as we have seen in this forum…. It’s disturbing !!! "
True. And I will add useless and detrimental to solving the problems we have.
"The point that I was trying to make is that Islam in my opinion is not so extreme compared to lots of other religions..."
This you haven't provided a sufficient argument for this, it depends on what "extreme" means and whether it is inherent in the religion or a product of the institutions. In those examples you gave, some of those things were not inherent in the religions (the Madonna example for sure).
" and shares a common way for brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda towards people"
This I think goes without saying, I am not an expert but it _might_ be the case that this is solely a product of the institutions carrying the religion, and not inherent in the religion itself, whatever "the religion" means.
I'm not sure who start "it", and whether that matters at all. The problem I have is with assigning collective guilt to individuals.
I am perfectly aware of the extremist propaganda and hypocrisy, that is a real shame.
You have enough laws to prosecute them under.
And I actually agree mostly with Nellie, the key to solving most minority problems is education.
btw there is a great debate here:
Just a clarification. If you want us to compare and don't provide all of the options we are going to get into a huge argument on what you meant and what other people meant by Islam.
What I'm trying to get to is that you can't compare things by their worst characteristics, it's a failed project. If you want to defend the religion, this is a terrible way to do it.
I understand all that you're saying and I understand why Nellie might feel a certain way, I am aware of all of the evidence for it, but there is evidence for anything on youtube. Sighting the cables could well be like citing some guy on a forum, there were cables saying Putin was batman. All it proves is that some government official had that opinion.
Surely things are more complicated than that.
All this muslim bashing seems a bit paranoid and is being used by some to breed hate to pursue their personal agendas.
If you want me to respect your authenticity, you need to provide your own characterization of Islam, just like you provided your own characterization of Judaism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.
We need more people like this to start taking care of other Bulgarians.
I remember some self-hate-monger said they hadn't seen any "decent Bulgarians".
Surely you are not serious in citing the JPost on Islam and historical fact.
Just to make it clear, there is a difference between the people and the religions. So take away any judgment about the people.
"Just as a matter of interest how do you view the following major religions compared to Islam?
1 Jewish…. where world peace and security is threatened by their actions towards Muslims and anyone who does not agree they are the chosen people.
2. Catholicism…. where it’s a sin to have protective sex, but not to infect and kill millions of children and adults.
3 Eastern Orthodox…. where the Madonna concert in Sofia on a Sunday, was to blame for the deaths of fifteen Bulgarians, who were drown at Ohrid Lake, Macedonia.
Does Islam seem so extreme ?"
You are spouting the same mis-characterizations that the others are spouting towards muslims.
Also, if you want to compare, you must supply the fourth option, a characterization of Islam.
Please do that.
1. I never said anything about Dino, you are mistaken, I've only addressed him once about some abstract topic.
2. As for Nellie, I don't know, I'll answer your question even though I'd rather not get involved, I like to respect people's views.
She says some things that are probably true about any religion (any religion is a swindle and a cult, and the people representing it have problematic personas), but she uses rhetoric that I condemn.
It is also clear that she is islamophobic, I am not and I don't like people who are, just a matter of moral and legal principle. I will not involve myself with a value judgment.
"Interesting as a clinical case maybe, but beside from that quite a bore."
I need compensation for the horrendous torturous boredom inflicted upon me while I was reading your last couple of posts. You are a cruel human being.
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