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Britons 'No Racists, Irked by Lack of Info over Bulgarian, Romanian Influx'

Politics » BULGARIA IN EU | December 17, 2013, Tuesday // 15:47| Views: 2459 | Comments: 22
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Bulgaria: Britons 'No Racists, Irked by Lack of Info over Bulgarian, Romanian Influx' A total of 80% of respondents to the survey by independent immigration think-tank British Future backed tougher measures against Bulgarian, Romanian migrants. File photo by The Economist

Britons do not have racist feelings toward Romanians and Bulgarians, but blame the government for a lack of real information on how further immigration will impact Britain, a British think-tank claims, citing a study.

"The timing of new EU migration from Romania and Bulgaria isn't popular and people have worries about the pressures it may cause - but they're not prejudiced," British Future director Sunder Katwala said, as cited by The Huffington Post UK.

"People want issues to be sorted out, not stirred up. If new arrivals make the effort to work hard, contribute and integrate into Britain, most people are broadly accepting."

A total of 80% of respondents to the survey by independent immigration think-tank British Future backed tougher measures.

However, 77% said they would welcome migrants from Romania and Bulgaria who work hard and pay taxes, learn the language and become part of the community.

The British Future survey found that 38% of people think the number of people coming from Romania and Bulgaria will be up to 50,000 in 2014, while 18% believe it will be between 50,000 and 100,000. A further 13% think the number could be up to 500,000.

Nearly three-quarters of people think the Government has failed to provide enough information on what will happen when restrictions to the UK Labour market are lifted for Romanians and Bulgarians.

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#22
AMEGARIAN - 13 Jan 2014 // 22:18:03

As an American living in BG I receive 2 retirements from the US. I pay my taxes to the US on this income. My income from my BG ventures/employment is taxable by BG, and I do indeed pay them. Dual taxation on my US income by BG is not a possibility, as well as dual taxation from the US on my BG income, it just won't happen.

#21
madelinee - 13 Jan 2014 // 08:39:38

The government has obviously been advised by their spin doctors that they must jump on this "bandwagon" if they want the Daily Mail and the Sun newspapers to help them win the next election.
I would hope that people (of all nationalities) have the intelligence to realise that this is nothing but political manouvering and does NOT reflect the views of the majority of the British public. - See more at: http://www.rctopshop.com/esky-rc-helicopters

#20
VillaGuy - 19 Dec 2013 // 23:49:12

Well clearly people are stuck up on the race issue even though I'd still include us under the caucasian umbrella, although as a subrace we differ. To me it's as if classing my neighbour different to myself and race as he has larger ears amd coming to the conclusion that there are 7 billion races on Earth!

#19
joppy - 19 Dec 2013 // 23:45:36

@Sobieski If we do as you said, bulldoze mosques, ban Islam, burn the Koran we become the same as them, extremists. For the most part Bulgarians have been tolerant but unfortunately with poverty, Bulgarians are becoming nationalistic fanatics. That is not to say we should tolerate muslim extremists and terrorists, but those practicing peacefully, shouldn't be harmed. IMO it's Attaka which should be banned.

#18
joppy - 19 Dec 2013 // 23:39:34

@VillaGuy "even though Bulgarians and Brits are both the same race of people, some poorly educated people see race as the same as nationality" Don't ever say that, Brits are right for saying we are not of the same race because we are not. What really pisses me off is when obviously non-white people such as Africans, South Americans and Asians assume that because we and the Brits have lighter skin than them, that we are both the same, both of us are the evil "white man", colonizer. When in reality it was Britain and Western Europe in general which caused great problems for the Africans, whereas we at the time were a colony of the Ottoman Empire which Britain was supporting. We are just as victims as they (former British colonies) are, yet we have to be associated with the white crimes. I am actually pleased that finally they are starting to refer to us as separate races, no more generalizing.

#17
VillaGuy - 18 Dec 2013 // 19:55:24

Seedy, you seem to go to great lengths to point out issues concerning grammar without really making any worthwhile points. All you seem to be demonstrating is what an objectionable person you are yourself. Did you not understand the points I was making, when I was referring to some other better available options open to Bulgarians albeit in admittedly poor English. If you didn't understand, then it shows an extremely inflexible mind, one that's lacking in basic cognitive skills even if being a critique of grammar is one of your skills. I pity your bitter/flawed soul

#16
Seedy - 18 Dec 2013 // 19:08:40

I'm delighted to hear there are some educated Brits here but I haven't yet had the, possibly dubious, pleasure of meeting them yet. Education in itself is hardly the decisive criterion when it comes to what a person is like but fortunately those who are too lazy/sloppy/stupid to learn how to use their own language properly are unlikely to have much of interest or value to say anyway. The nature of generalisation is that it doesn't cover all eventualities but nonetheless it DOES provide a useful rule of thumb and I've seen this particular one proved true many times in a number of different countries; for some reason, British oiks are more irritating than their foreign counterparts even to others of their ilk. I certainly have a British Passport and indeed a set of "British" names translated from the original ones - to that extent, I guess that I AM "a Brit" but only to the extent of proving Shaw correct when he wrote "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him." ;)

As for the fatuous "The criteria of economics is fine, economics is made up of many facets if you didn't realise": a) thank you for stating the obvious and b) you actually wrote "an economic criteria" - if you need a lesson on what is wrong with that then I sincerely hope you never have to sit the Citizenship Exam!

#15
Optimistic - 18 Dec 2013 // 15:24:16

All this British Crap, who cares what a bunch of racists think, Bulgarian people will go and work in the UK and many will be successful and wonderful for them.

#14
madoods - 18 Dec 2013 // 14:09:36

"Where can I find the dole form in English..............? ...............the only dole form the British are asked to sign is one that states they will not take any benefits from Bulgaria. I am surprised that Seedy was not asked to sign one of these, but if he wasn't then it probably explains why he is seething every day about the British taking so much from Bulgaria and giving nothing back

#13
StonehouseMick - 18 Dec 2013 // 12:57:40

Seedy, you presume too much......... AGAIN.

I and some other brits here, do not have any remittances from the UK, and I along with you do not receive any state pensions or other state benefits.

You are deluded in the generalisation that you are the only educated brit here in Bulgaria. Your generalisations are as bad as the British media's when it comes to the so-called influx .

But lets not forget that you are not a full time Brit in BG even though you have a Bulgarian girlfriend. But don't let this detract from your usual diatribe of pompous prattle.

#12
VillaGuy - 18 Dec 2013 // 11:37:30

I'd say we're the all Caucasian race, feel free to disagree Seedy. The criteria of economics is fine, economics is made up of many facets if you didn't realise

#11
Seedy - 18 Dec 2013 // 11:28:44

As for the "77%" of British Paragons here, clearly you either have selective vision or you don't know very many of them! It's true that most, but certainly not all, don't work - but not working seems to be The British Way these days. As for the "private incomes" - presumably you're talking about pensions/investments: I believe it to be the case that all of these should be taxed here, or at the very least declared to the tax authorities, but I am unaware of any Brit who actually does this. The usual refrain from the majority of the expat community here, generally composed of those too poor to go to Spain/France etc, is "Bulgaria needs to change to suit me", with a chorus of "Where can I find Bisto/Bovril/Typhoo/an English-speaking doctor,dentist,mechanic/dole form in English/the address of Solvit to complain about not getting Me Yuman Rites?"

From the descriptions given, anyone would think that that stalwart of the British Empire, the Remittance Man, is alive and thriving over here; the truth is that many of them are dim oiks and semi-literate losers who lack any self-awareness or enough sense to know what their own, very limited, abilities actually are...in fact exactly like a typical Remittance Man!

#10
Jetbuster - 18 Dec 2013 // 11:12:51

As usual, it is politicians who are to blame for this whole mess. UKIP and other right wing parties managed to scare a minority of the British public, with the help of the right wing media, into thinking there would be a mass migration to the UK from Eastern Europe.
The government has obviously been advised by their spin doctors that they must jump on this "bandwagon" if they want the Daily Mail and the Sun newspapers to help them win the next election.
I would hope that people (of all nationalities) have the intelligence to realise that this is nothing but political manouvering and does NOT reflect the views of the majority of the British public.
All the polls conducted so far, indicate that the majority of the British public are not concerned about migration from Eastern Europe, and the opinions of leading business figures has been positive.
Cameron is grandstanding for the media knowing full well that the EU will block any attempt at restrictions on legitimate migrants.

#9
Seedy - 18 Dec 2013 // 11:11:59

"..some poorly educated people see race as the same as nationality..." Whereas other, even more poorly-educated, people think that a nation probably having its origins somewhere in Asia and now with a good admixture of Slavic blood is ethnically identical to Anglo-Saxons? Couldn't be the same poorly-educated person who doesn't know that "criteria" is plural, I suppose? ;)

#8
VillaGuy - 18 Dec 2013 // 10:11:51

There's always going to be elements of racism in the British public, even though Bulgarians and Brits are both the same race of people, some poorly educated people see race as the same as nationality. I guess the reason for the Bulgarians that think of a move would be from an economic perspective, why not go to Germany which has stronger links with Bulgaria and purely from an economic criteria France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and a few other EU and Schengen zone countries pay better wages than the UK.

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