Syrian Rebel Leader Slams US-Russia Deal
General Selim Idris, the head of the opposition Syrian Supreme Military Council, has criticized the deal reached Saturday by the United States and Russia on a plan to eliminate the Syrian regime’s chemical weapons.
Idris said the deal would allow Assad to escape being held accountable for killing hundreds of civilians in a poison gas attack on Damascus last month.
Idris claimed Assad's forces had started moving some of their chemical weapons to Lebanon and Iraq in the last few days to evade a possible UN inspection.
"We have told our friends that the regime has begun moving a part of its chemical weapons arsenal to Lebanon and Iraq. We told them do not be fooled," Idris told reporters in Istanbul, as cited by international media.
"All of this initiative does not interest us. Russia is a partner with the regime in killing the Syrian people. A crime against humanity has been committed and there is not any mention of accountability."
On Saturday, US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov announced Saturday that they had agreed on a plan to secure and destroy Syria's chemical weapons by mid-2014. If Syria fails to comply, the deal could be enforced by a UN resolution backed by the threat of sanctions or military force.
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(1) I "linked" the American forumers' opinions, all opinions, and one of them (RLS Virginia, Sept. 18, 2013 at 10:05 a.m) remarked: "The only logical conclusion is that the US and their lapdogs in the UK and France have good reason to believe that Assad is not the guilty party" and then that forumer submitted the link - The Intelligence Professionals' memorandum to Mr. Obama - repeated by me. Doesn't matter, before or after the UN report that Memorandum was published, the main is that the Professionals explain to Mr.Obama WHY they are SURE that it wasn't Assad. Logical, strong document, imo. Why not to invite them to White House, why not to talk with them?
(2)You never asked me about the info (and, btw, I'm not "the Russian intelligence community";-) "pointing to the rebels using the gas" ( though I can share my opinion) and also: for the huge part of those "rebels" the Syrians are not "their own people".
(3)I do fully share Your opinion and think that not Americans only, but EU states and Russia ought to "move out of the whole of the middle east and let the whole bunch blow each other up". Absolutely so!
(4)"If thew Syrian Rebels prevail it will be a bunch of Muslim fanatics doing what they do best: Making the world their playground of terror"---exactly, Vik, exactly. To hell with those Muslim fanatics, to hell with them.
Thanks for the reply, Matt. Let me be short. What I mean is:
(a) I don't admit, but I confirm that the cyrillic writing on the [fragment of] one engine testifies: it is a part of the Soviet-made rocket.
(b)"these things are tracked carefully"---(if I got You right, You are about those rockets) I think it's hardly possible to track the "trip" of the rockets which could have been merely stolen while plundering arm depots in Irak or Libya.
(c)The experts report does not reply to the question "Who is behind the August, 21, chem attack"; IMO, that attack was nothing else but the provocation of "rebels" aimed at drawing USA+ into that civil war.
"It would surely be a huge coincidence of which it would be more likely for Assad to win the euromillions, get hit by lightening, and be voted "man you'd most like your daughter to bring home for dinner" by jewish housewives weekly than for it to be a cunning rebel plot to let off chemical weapon warheads right in the location that a Russian supplied rocket, totally devoid of a warhead, happens to be fired at from the Assad controlled area?"
LOL, good one.
I would point out 3 things in regards to your good points:
1. The direction the chemical attack came in from is from the area most heavily guarded place in all of Syria -Mt. Qasioun, where Mr. Assad's palace is and where the Republican Guard is based.
2. The Assad regime HAS chemical weapons and has a very poor human rights record going back decades. Using chemical weapons would not be out of the ordinary for characters like him.
3. The Russians are now slamming the UN and the weapons inspectors. They obviously never anticipated that the UN inspectors would be able to issue such a detailed report in such a short period of time given the obstacles they faced in Syria (i.e. getting shot at by Assad's forces).
All in all it's becoming comical to see how Assad's defenders can now promote the most outlandish and ridiculous theories possible to justify their support for a tyrant who commits crime against humanity.
sa-sha - so you've admitted it has been supplied by Russia.... but you think it's perhaps some old thing that's "done the rounds"? Surely, as i suggested, these things are tracked carefully, so if it has indeed been sold 3 or 4 times over and ended up in Syria, then Russia could come out and categorically state that?
You are also correct that there was not 100% certainty that the chemical warheads found were from these 2 rockets which were fired from the north-west.
It would surely be a huge coincidence of which it would be more likely for Assad to win the euromillions, get hit by lightening, and be voted "man you'd most like your daughter to bring home for dinner" by jewish housewives weekly than for it to be a cunning rebel plot to let off chemical weapon warheads right in the location that a Russian supplied rocket, totally devoid of a warhead, happens to be fired at from the Assad controlled area?
"And one more observation: as You obviously noted, the experts concluded that the rockets were launched [presumably] from the certain area (though to make such conclusions were out of their duty/ competence), but they DIDN'T fix the tie of the "rockets"/"bodies"/engines with their warheads, right? And no one evidence of the rockets fly/trajectory, but the evidences of the explosions only...... I mean that it COULD've been a blow up on the spot, see?, and then there is no need in rockets at all, but there is need in properly oriented "correct fragments", "cylinders with sarin" and a few pounds of an explosive... "
LMAOF........ The Russian does have sense of humour after all!
Look, Matt: the cyrillic writing on the engine, imho, indicates, sooner, just on "rebels" (as I wrote in my reply to Viking). Yes, we can "presume that it was a Russian rocket, supplied to Assad", sure, but..(a) those "antique" ;-) rockets were supplied by USSR (all such supplies ended, if my info is correct, by1985) to many countries (Irak, Egypt, Libya...) but not to Syria, (b) if it were Assad, then why not to ask "Russian friends" to provide him with some not old, but "fresh" US-made "toy" ;-). And one more observation: as You obviously noted, the experts concluded that the rockets were launched [presumably] from the certain area (though to make such conclusions were out of their duty/ competence), but they DIDN'T fix the tie of the "rockets"/"bodies"/engines with their warheads, right? And no one evidence of the rockets fly/trajectory, but the evidences of the explosions only...... I mean that it COULD've been a blow up on the spot, see?, and then there is no need in rockets at all, but there is need in properly oriented "correct fragments", "cylinders with sarin" and a few pounds of an explosive...
I, like you have little time today but wanted to point out that the second article you linked (from Consortium News) was published on the 9th of Sept and long before the UN report.
You never did tell me where you (and the Russian intelligence community) have proof or information pointing to the rebels using the gas on their own people.
My personal opinion (and nobody really cares about that) is that the US should move out of the whole of the middle east and let the whole bunch blow each other up.
If thew Syrian Rebels prevail it will be a bunch of Muslim fanatics doing what they do best: Making the world their playground of terror
The Russian response was even faster than the hypothesis I posted this morning here in Novinite:
"MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia denounced U.N. investigators' findings on a poison gas attack in Syria as preconceived and tainted by politics on Wednesday, stepping up its criticism of a report Western nations said proved President Bashar al-Assad's forces were responsible.
Russia, which has veto power in the Security Council, could cite such doubts about proof of culpability in opposing future efforts by the United States, Britain and France to punish Syria for any violations of a deal to abandon chemical weapons."
Hi, Viking. First of all I beg Your pardon for my intemperance a couple of months ago and hope You'll share one day Your impressions about Russia :-). As for the topic: 1. Thanks for "Sasha If you read what you posted you will find in Appendix 5" ;-). 2. Special thanks (I'm serious) for not the "general" but the specific questions, it allows to exchange opinions. Your first one: "the missiles used were of Russian manufacture"---not "missiles", but "rocket", one rocket with «Г ИШ4 25-67-179К» engravings "on the bottom ring of the engine", right? It could've been launched either by a very old Soviet-made 140mm multiple rocket launcher RPU-14 (which had never been supplied to Syria by USSR btw, though I don't exclude illegal supplies to the both sides of the conflict) and equivally it could've been launched by a "hand-made" device.
Your second question: "[rockets] fired from the North West part of Syria. Can you tell me who controls that part of Syria?"---(a) if I were "rebel", I would've launched rockets just from the part "controlled" by Assad and it
would've been not difficult at all, which is proved by diversions/explosions permanently effected by "rebels" in the areas under Assad forces' control/"control"; (b) from the same Appendix 5:"Limitations. As with other sites,
the location have been well travelled by other individuals PRIOR to the arrival of the Mission. During the time spent at these locations, individuals arrived carring other suspected munitions indicating that such potential evidence is being moved and possibly manipulated".......................Just answering ;-)
And may be You will find possible (in connection with the fresh article in The NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/world/middleeast/un-data-on-gas-attack-points-to-assads-top-forces.html?_r=0
to pay attention to NYT forumers' opinions, including: http://consortiumnews.com/2013/09/06/obama-warned-on-syrian-intel/
Have a nice day ;-). Sincerely.
thanks sa-sha for the link....
It's hardly "conclusive" that it must be Assads forces, but the most worrying thing for me is the rocket which was used in one of the attacks has Cyrillic writing as the identification numbers.
Now it's possible that this is some decoy created by the rebels, but as Russia hasn't announced that it's a fake, then we could probably presume that it was a Russian rocket, supplied to Assad? I'm no military expert, but surely something of this destructive nature would be closely recorded and tracked whenever it's sold, moved, allocated to a battallion etc?
If anybody has any doubt as to the guilt of Assad (and its supplier Russia) after reading the UN report, then even watching a video of Assad's soldiers launching the chemical attack would not convince them.
The attitude of Russia's leaders reminds of the Americans prior to the Iraq War when they were told repeatedly by UN Weapons Inspectors and Hans Blix that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They simply ran over the UN like a bulldozer. Something Russia will be forced to do as it will be extremely humiliating to face up to the fact that it is supplying chemical weapons to its client and that its client is gassing his own people with absolute impunity and showing a big middle finger to the whole world.