Ottoman Legacy Struggles against Lack of Care in Bulgaria
Remnants of Ottoman architecture standing in Bulgaria are in a struggle against lack of care, Turkish Deputy Premier's visit to the country has revealed.
Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag traveled nearly two thousand km during his three day tour in the Balkan country. He gave special attention to architectural works from the Ottoman era, inquiring about their legal status and expressing willingness to take up their restoration.
Bulgaria remained under Ottoman rule for nearly five hundred years till its independence at the end of the 19th century.
Bozdag said that he felt sad at the sight of such neglected works of architecture. It was particularly bitter in Plovdiv, he said, where a historic mosque was turned into a restaurant, and a traditional public bath (hamam) into a modern arts museum.
Deputy Prime Minister said he raised the issue with Bulgarian Deputy Prime Minister Zinaida Zlatanova, whom he met.
"We saw a hamam and another mosque from the same period," Bozdag said. "This mosque is now private property; a citizen bought it in 1930.
"We are trying to acquire ownership of this mosque via Turkish Cooperation and Coordination Agency (TIKA). There is no agreement yet. When one is reached, we will open it to worship."
Bozdag visited Imaret Mosque, Taskopru Mosque, Cifte Hamam and Ottoman funeral in the southern province of Plovdiv, second largest city in the country after capital Sofia. TIKA is already at work in Imaret Mosque, Bozdag said.
"We will reclaim Ottoman works in Bulgaria," he said.
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These religious inglorius basterds should keep away from Bulgaria.Why dont you request the same from your Arab Masters.When they destroy your so loved bloody Ottoman Castle.Oh I forgot, you were slaves to Arabs. I support all removal of the mosques and religious institutes in Bulgaria.Bulgarian Turks should reject any influence from Turkey and remove that bloody political ethnic party. We do not want to have any help from Turkey. Just because there are Turks in Bulgaria. Dont think that we will welcome worms like you in here. By the way whoever does not drink rakia should be shot in the head. All is clear now, I guess everyone has got its message.Feel free to go nuts if this message hurts you.
I'm sorry to say it but your opinions on this subject are totally fatuous. "If you are wronged it makes you no better to wrong in return, that might make you feel better but only lasts as long as the next wrong done to you by whoever in return for your wrong" - so the concepts of justice and reparation have no place in your scheme of things? Just what happens when you run out of cheeks to turn, especially when they're only theoretical ones since the issues in debate are just something in a newspaper to you and no members of YOUR family were hurt in the making of this movie?
Should the Armenians just shrug their shoulders and say "Hey, those jolly Turks didn't mean to kill us and steal everything from us back then. And of course, it was just an accident of Fate that Cyprus was invaded and occupied. The poor old chaps in the fezes don't really mean to imprison anyone who dares to mention the Aremenian Genocide today and they're actually pulling up stumps and handing over Northern Cyprus to its rightful owners as we speak - with generous restitution to those families whose members were inadvertently murdered by the Turkish army on its annual day-trip.
You may consider letting bullies walk all over you, and then thanking them for giving you the opportunity to forgive them, the best balm for your soul but you're just p*ssing in the wind. To forgive someone who comes to you, admits they were in the wrong and asks for forgiveness is always a possibility. However, only a pathetic worm insists on forgiving someone who spits in your face and not only shows a lack of contrition but also is quite happy to continue what they are doing because they know you are too weak, cowardly and full of PC BS to do anything about it....
ankle (Pete poo)
I think you should read a lot more history/geography books (i.e Guatemala Bay hahahaha) and in the process also take aspelling/grammar class or too. This will help make your looney lefty views seem more credible/persuasive rather than make you look like a complete idiot like you look now.
“In the UK we have the same problem in Northern Ireland, each side feels they have been wronged by the other and no-one really knows who actually started the wrongs and, in the end it matters not because sometime it has to end and that will not be by one side being obliterated by the other no, it will be by both sides, totally exhausted by the sheer futility of the whole thing, sitting down around a table and resolving the situation, forgiving is different from forgetting but far better for the soul. All the history and the politics can go to hell because if they don't they will consign all of us to that grim place.”
Wrong…. The British created the situation that is at the root cause of the problems in Northern Ireland and you should read more history books!!
I wll say one more thing and only that, I will not visit this subject/article again. I will re-iterate what I have already said, at some time someone has to stop and say "enough is enough". Yes I admit wrongs have been done by all nations at some point against another, no-one can take the moral high ground on this one but, at some point it all has to stop otherwise the wrongs continue. If you are wronged it makes you no better to wrong in return, that might make you feel better but only lasts as long as the next wrong done to you by whoever in return for your wrong................and so it goes on, sometimes for hundreds of years. That is plain stupid, inhumane and just.............words fail me. In the UK we have the same problem in Northern Ireland, each side feels they have been wronged by the other and no-one really knows who actually started the wrongs and, in the end it matters not because sometime it has to end and that will not be by one side being obliterated by the other no, it will be by both sides, totally exhausted by the sheer futility of the whole thing, sitting down around a table and resolving the situation, forgiving is different from forgetting but far better for the soul. All the history and the politics can go to hell because if they don't they will consign all of us to that grim place.
“Then one day, again out of the blue, they had to run for their lives again while someone else took their clothes, books, homes, business and money.”
The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the Nakba, occurred when approximately 711,000 to 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes,
History has a way of repeating it’s self!!
"Yane, thanks for the history lesson it is interesting as most of us from the west will not have heard the fine detail of how it all started so you are to be praised for your precis of the situation":
1. "The fine detail of how it all started" will hardly be submitted to the Western public in the foreseeable future. To submit it= to show the true face of the World Democracy' leaders...
2. Sorry, but it wasn't "the history lesson", it was the short and correct explanation, nothing to add, apart from, may be, that the Western Powers' aggresion (just AGGRESION, since it hadn't been approved by the UN Security Council) was accompanied by the barbarical bombing the civilian Serbs (in Europe, in the end of the XX-th century, by the air forces of the democratic West)....and IT IS NOT CORRECT, and the West' strong assistance to the only one side of the conflict (just to that side which de facto initiated the conflict) makes the text "people trying to settle old scores killed 000's" invalid and in this connection the idea: "Unless we, as humans, can find ourselves able to forgive others", a good idea, but in this particula case it ought to be replaced by: "Unless we, as humans, as democrats, as the civilized people, can find ourselves able not to harm the other peoples".
Western Europe is in a mess, in case you hadn't noticed, but has it ever crossed your mind that maybe that is due to the transgressions of the wrong people being forgiven while the victims and their rights are conveniently brushed under the carpet? This happens both within nations and internationally, and eventually leads to the knowledge that those we entrust to protect our lives and property simply have no capability, or perhaps wish, to carry out this function. At that stage you have a choice: you can either be a doormat or a man - you have clearly made your choice, probably being lucky enough never to have been in the situation of having to REALLY choose, but how dare you have the arrogance to preach to those who have lived through things that you have only tut-tutted over at breakfast before turning to the sports pages?
What you are saying is quite true - from the wooly-liberal perspective of someone to whom the words "Balkan" and "Question" don't belong together and mean nothing except some dimly-remembered history lesson about an out-of-the-way corner of the world where people wore odd clothes, spoke even odder languages and behaved in outlandish and un-British ways. Even worse, the ungrateful wretches failed to appreciate the generosity of the "Great Powers" in carving up their countries and foisting foreign monarchs on them.
Let me give you an example of how simplistic, and indeed insulting, is your comment "unless we...can find ourselves able to forgive others how can we expect forgiveness for our transgressions?" I have a good friend whose father and grandfather had built up a prosperous business providing for their family. One day, out of the blue, several of their family were killed and the survivors had to run for their lives with nothing but the clothes they stood up in. They were suddenly Stateless Persons and were pushed from pillar to post with no home and relying on the charity of strangers to feed and shelter them.
Eventually they found a country to give them shelter and, despite being an old man, my friend's father started a little business. He was a smart man who still had good business sense and skills, so his business gradually began to improve until it was providing a comfortable life for his children and grand-children, all of whom worked hard in the business. Then one day, again out of the blue, they had to run for their lives again while someone else took their clothes, books, homes, business and money. His father, who had been hale and hearty up to then, died soon afterwards.
My friend is Armenian and his family started in Turkey and were eventually "lucky" enough to settle in the "wrong" part of Cyprus. He is indeed lucky, in that his family weren't among those Armenians who were murdered in the Genocide that Turkey still denies ever took place.
Perhaps you can explain to him, and me, just what "transgressions" he has committed that are bad enough for him to be required to forget what happened and to forgive those people who are still living in his home, eating the fruit from his trees and spending his money? I'm sure he takes great comfort in the fact that the nation which you wish him to forgive for its little misdemeanours is a valued member of NATO and, defying all geographical logic, a candidate for EU membership. Of course, they have no intention of returning his property or ending the illegal occupation of his adopted country but the generous Great Powers of today still don't give a sh*t, so it must be okay and he's just unable to see how lucky he really is.
Like Sasha said, look at who throws the matches n creates a fire. This is our problem, and the world's, the west throwing matches thus escalating problems into wars. And then you come here "oh, u should think happy fluffy thoughts and everything should be fine!" Thanks for your....'advice'..
Yane, thanks for the history lesson it is interesting as most of us from the west will not have heard the fine detail of how it all started so you are to be praised for your precis of the situation. You will note that I stated I was not taking sides, all I said was.........
Look what happened in the Balkans a few years ago, people trying to settle old scores killed 000's.
That is correct. Your little history lesson may be correct but the lines were drawn along age old cultural, religious and ethnic boundaries that should have been left behind decades earlier, what may have started off as a matter of politics ended up with historical scores being settled. Unless we, as humans, can find ourselves able to forgive others how can we expect forgiveness for our transgressions? and so the cycle continues.
Set out in the way you have just done is so much better that just using words that upset and bring emotions to the surface, all that does is to get peoples backs up - a small example of a bigger problem that is the same as escalating tensions!!!! Learn to be objective in your words, as you obviously can be, and your point will be better made.
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