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Greek Culture and Traditions - Where the West Meets the East

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Greek Culture and Traditions – a Crossroad between West and East: Greek Culture and Traditions - Where the West Meets the East Easter is by far the most important celebration for the Greeks, even Christmas comes second. Photo by BGNES

Contemporary Greek culture and traditions are very rich and diverse, reflecting Greece’s location at the crossing point where the West meets the East and the country’s great and turbulent history.

The culture of Greece has evolved over thousands of years - dating from the Paleolithic era and the birth of the great Minoan, (2600-1500 BC), Mycenaean (1500-1150 BC) and Cycladic civilizations through the Classical Period (6th - 4th centuries BC) - the Golden Age, reaching great levels of prosperity that resulted in an unprecedented cultural boom, expressed in architecture, drama, science and philosophy, and nurtured in Athens under a democratic environment, through the sequence of invasions and domination: by the Macedonians, the Romans, the Byzantine Empire and the 400 years of Ottoman rule.

During the second half of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century, Greece saw monarchies and ousting of royalty, fierce political fights, assassinations, and dictatorships, wars that added neighboring territories and new population, but also brought economic devastation and poverty. After the defeat of Germany and the end of World War II, Greece joined NATO in 1952 and experienced a bitter civil war between communist and anticommunist forces.

In 1967, a group of military officers seized power, establishing a military dictatorship that suspended many political liberties and forced the king to flee the country. In 1974, democratic elections and a referendum created a parliamentary republic and abolished the monarchy. In August 1974 Greek forces withdrew from the integrated military structure of NATO in protest against the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus. Greece rejoined NATO in 1980. In 1981, Greece joined the EC (now the EU) and became the 12th member of the Eurozone in 2001. It successfully hosted the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens.

This rich and tumultuous past greatly influences contemporary lifestyle, the Greek perspective on the world, Greek music, food, customs and traditions, even the way Greeks do business. Greeks as a whole are extremely proud of their history, their cultural heritage and their contribution to literature, art, philosophy and politics. They speak with intense passion of their country as the cradle of European civilization.

A recent study found that Greeks' pride in being Greek surpassed the ethnic satisfaction of every other European nation. Greeks define their natural and ethnic belonging through their culture and tradition. Anyone who has seen the movie “My Big, Fat, Greek Wedding” knows this. Traditions, religion, music, language, food and drinks are the pillars of contemporary Greek culture and lifestyle, making the country an attraction point for visitors from all over the world.

The Greek Orthodox Church

The Greek Orthodox Church is an integral part of life in Greece where the most important holidays are religious in nature and the national religion is practiced by the majority of the population. Greece and Orthodoxy are closely connected due to the country’s historical past. During several occupations, and especially during the 400 years of Ottoman rule, the Orthodox religion played a vital role in maintaining the Greek ethnic and cultural identity. Today the Church is more important in political, civic, and governmental affairs than in many other secular countries.

Officially, and like all over Europe, the Greek State and the Orthodox Church are separated, but this separation is not written or regulated by the Constitution and the Greek Orthodox Church has a great influence in Greek society. Religion is present in the education sector, both in private and public schools, where children have compulsory religious courses and pray collectively in the morning before the start of classes. The Orthodox Church is also much integrated into the politic matters of the country.

Even the Greek Constitution guarantees freedom of faith, but defines the "prevailing religion" of Greece as the Eastern Orthodox Church of Christ. Most Greeks, whether deeply religious or not, revere and respect the Orthodox Christian faith, attend church, observe major religious holiday and are emotionally attached to Orthodox Christianity as their "national" religion.

Younger people are not as devout church-goers as their parents and grandparents, yet most will still turn to the church for holidays or for important rituals such as weddings and funerals. Despite the fast moving processes of Europeanization and globalization, Greece remains a profoundly religious country. As the Greek say, Orthodoxy is less an institution than a sentiment, expressed by the population and by the public powers. Muslims, Jewish and Roman Catholic are the other religious groups of Greece.

The Greek Family

The Greek society consists of close-knit families where important social organizations have gradually evolved from the idea of family. The institution of marriage also plays an important role in society. The word family in Greece refers to a particular social group whose members are related by blood or marriage at different levels or in different forms or combinations.

The conjugal family includes the husband and wife and their children. The extended family includes the conjugal family as well as ascendants of the husband and/or wife. Interestingly, the National Statistical Service of Greece considers all people who live under the same roof to be members of the family, regardless of whether they are related.

Although family life has changed considerably with the transition from the traditional rural-agricultural life into an urban industrial-modern system, to these days women and particularly mothers in Greece play the most important family roles.

The man is the family's outside representative, enjoying the social prestige and esteem, but the woman traditionally was and is the organizer of the household, the mediator in family disputes, and the guardian of the family's unity. The family's prestige often rests on the woman's ability to carry out her household duties properly.

Frequent communication and assistance between the two adult generations and children and youth are also very common for Greek families. The family offers both financial and emotional support to its members and family relationships carry over into business with nepotism largely seen as something acceptable. It is very common for relatives to work for the same company because Greeks prefer to do business with those they know and trust. Companies are also hierarchical over the traditional respect for age and position.

Greek Food and Drinks

Greek food and beverages are famous all over the world for both quality and taste. Greek cuisine is often cited as an example of the healthy Mediterranean diet while sharing food and drinks with relatives and friends is one of the basic elements of the Greek culture. Greek cuisine incorporates fresh ingredients, among them garlic, onions, fennel, zucchini, grapes, apples, dates and figs, into a variety of local dishes some of which can be traced back to Ancient Greece.

Seasonings and herbs like dill, mint, oregano and lemon rinds also form an important part of the recipes while olive oil is added to almost every dish. Wheat, rice and meat, traditionally lamb, but also chicken, pork, beef and fish, form the staple diet.

The mezedes (single: mezes) are appetizers, served before or with the main dishes. They come in small plates with various dips such as tzatziki (Greek yogurt with finely chopped cucumber, garlic and olive oil). Mezedez often consist of htapodi (small pieces of octopus served grilled, boiled or fried with lemon juice, olive oil, vinegar and oregano), dolmades or dolmadakia (grape leaves filled with rice, onions and sometimes ground beef, currants and pine kernel), kalamarakia (small pieces of fried squid with lemon juice), tiropitakia (small cheese pies, usually made of feta cheese) and spanakopitakia (small spinach pies with crushed feta cheese), small fish, feta cheese and other cheeses such as the saganaki or fried cheese, various olives.

Salads include horiatiki (Village Salad), the most famous Greek salad - a mix of fresh tomatoes, olives, cucumber, onions, green pepper, feta cheese, olive oil and oregano; melitzanosalata - an eggplant puree with finely chopped garlic and olive oil; taramosalata - crushed fish eggs.

Greeks have a lot of excellent main dishes such as moussaka, which has a base made of potatoes topped with eggplants, onions, ground beef and béchamel crème; pastitsio - spaghetti topped with ground beef, onions, tomato sauce and béchamel sauce; paidakia - grilled lamb's ribs served with lemon; kokoretsi - wrapped and roasted entrails of lamb, served with lemon; keftedakia - fried meatballs of beef, garlic and bread. Meat is often served with horta - boiled wild greens with olive oil, salt and lemon and briam - mix of roast potatoes, eggplants, onions, garlic, tomato sauce and olive oil.

Succulent Greek soups include kotossoupa - chicken soup usually with avgolemono (sauce made with eggs and lemon); psarossoupa - fish soup with parsley, potatoes and carrots’ fassolada - white bean soup with parsley and, sometimes, tomato sauce; fakies - lentil soup; magiritsa - Easter soup made of lamb entrails, and the avgolemono sauce; patsa - tripe soup, considered by the Greeks as a very good remedy for hangovers.

Greece is also famous for its alcoholic drinks. Liquor includes ouzo and tsipouro with ouzo being the most famous Greek alcoholic beverage, considered the trade mark of the country. It is mixed with ice or with a bit of water and is ideal to drink with all kinds of mezedes. Tsipouro is similar to ouzo but with a stronger taste of anis. In different parts of Greece people make their own home made tsipouro, also called raki, depending of the region.

Among the many quality Greek wines, offering a huge diversity of red, white and rose, sweet or dry, the best known are mavrodafni - a strong, sweet, really thick and dark wine, made in Patras Peloponnese and used for the Holy Communion in the Greek Orthodox Church and the world famous retsina, whose particular resin taste is due to the way the wine is made - putting the grapes in new cask which still has the wood resin on.

Celebrations, Customs and Traditions

Most customs and traditions in Greece and the Greek Islands are of a religious nature, but some stem from paganism.

Easter

Easter is by far the most important celebration for the Greeks, even Christmas comes second. The celebrations for Easter truly begin two months before, but Holy Week is the peak of these activities.

According to the Orthodox tradition, the symbolic red Easter eggs are dyed on Holy Thursday. Greeks believe that the Virgin Mother, Mary, dyed eggs this color (the color of blood) to celebrate the Resurrection of Christ and life. On Holy Thursday women are also busy baking kouloúria - dough cookies and tsouréki – the traditional Easter sweet bread. Godparents buy news shoes, clothes and a candle to the kids and, in villages, the exterior of the houses and the streets are whitewashed.

On Good Friday or Great Friday, flags at homes and government buildings are set at half mast to mark the sorrowful day. The Procession of the Epitáphios of Christ, the Epitaphio mourns the death of Christ on the Cross with the symbolic coffin, decorated with thousands of flowers, taken out of the church and carried through the streets by the faithful. At the cemetery everyone lights a candle for the dead; then the Epitaphio with its procession returns to the church where the believers kiss the image of the Christ.

During the night of the Holy Saturday (Megalo Savato), people, dressed in their formal attire, begin to gather in the churches by 11 p.m. for the Easter services, carrying large white candles, lampáda. Just before midnight, all of the churches’ lights are turned off, symbolizing the darkness and the silence of the tomb.

At midnight, the priest lights a candle from the Eternal Flame, sings “Christos Anesti” (Christ Arose) and offers the flame to light the candle to the people that are the closest to him. Everyone passes the flame one to another while the clergy sings the Byzantine Chant Christos Anesti. Then, everyone goes out of the church to the streets. The church’s bells ring continuously and people say one to another “Christos Anesti”, to which the reply is “Alithos Anesti” (Indeed He Has Risen).

Then the faithful go home or to the homes of relatives and friends to share the Resurrection Meal. The candles they carry are placed in each house and burn through the night to symbolize the Light’s return to the world. The cracking of eggs is a traditional game where challengers attempt to crack each others' eggs. The breaking of the eggs is meant to symbolize Christ breaking from the Tomb. The person whose egg lasts the longest is assured good luck for the rest of the year.

The following day, Easter Sunday, is spent again with family and friends. The Easter meal is truly a feast with loads of salads, vegetable and rice dishes, breads, cakes, cookies, and plenty of wines and ouzo.

The main dish at the Easter table, however, is roasted lamb, (often turned over open pits), and served in honor of the Lamb of God who was sacrificed and rose again on Easter.

Clean Monday (Kathari Deutera) is part of the Easter celebration and marks the first day of the season of Lent (Saracosti) during which families go for a picnic, fly kites, and feast at local taverns. For Greeks, Clean Monday is one of the most festive holidays of the year.

Name Day Celebration

Most of the Greeks owe their names to a religious saint and in Greece name days are more important than birthdays. Everyone named after a saint honored by the church celebrates his name on a given day of the year. When someone has a “name day” his friends and family visit him without invitation and offer good wishes and small presents. The host greets the guests with pastries, sweets and appetizers.

Engagement

Engagements is a Greek tradition that tends to disappear in Athens and other big cities, but remains customary for smaller towns and villages. Before a couple gets married they must become engaged and the man has to ask the hand of the woman from her father.

When all wedding details are agreed on and ironed, the priest is invited to bless the engagement rings and place them on the left ring-fingers of the couple. The guests wish “Kala Stephana” (Good Crowns meaning “Have a Good Marriage”) and “I ora I kali” (that the good hour of the marriage comes) to the fiancés.

Marriage

Marriage is another big celebration in Greece. In some parts, outside Athens and other big cities, the bride still has a dowry made by her mother, grandmothers and aunts, consisting of sheets, towels and hand made embroideries, while the father of the bride traditionally offers a furnished home to his daughter and son-in-law as a wedding gift. On the day of the wedding, the bride gets dressed with the help of girlfriends and women from her family, and is kept hidden, for it is bad luck for the groom to see her before the ceremony.

During the wedding ceremony, the best men and best woman (koumbaro and koumbara) give the wedding rings to the priest, cross the crowns (stephana) three times and then place them on the couple’s head. Once the priest has declared them married, the guests throw rice and almond candy wrapped with white sugar (ta koufeta) to the new couple.

After the ceremony, the bridal couple stays in the church and all the guests kiss them and wish them “na zisete” (Long Life to You). Then everybody goes to the wedding reception, which is usually a restaurant rented for the night, where people dance, eat and drink all night long.

After the reception the new couple leaves for its honeymoon.

Baptism

Baptismal day is one of the most important days in the life of a Greek Orthodox. It usually takes place the first year after the baby is born. Until the baby is baptized it is often called baby and doesn’t have a name.

On Baptism Day, the baby is undressed and wrapped in a white towel. The priest blesses the water and adds olive oil brought by the godparents. He then immerses the baby three times, saying the chosen name. (Children in Greece are traditionally named after their grandmother or the grandfather.) The priest also blesses the baby and the baby clothes with “myrrh” (olive oil blessed by the Patriarch). The child is then dressed in white clothes. The priest puts a gold chain with a cross on his or her neck and gives the baby its first Holy Communion.

At the end of the ceremony, the parents kiss the godparent’s hands and receive guests’ wishes: “na sas zisei” (Long Life to Your Baby).

The ceremony is followed by a celebration at the family’s house or a restaurant.

Carnival

Another big Greek celebration is “Apokries” or Carnival. The Carnival is two weeks long, beginning from the Sunday of Meat Fare and ending with the start of Lent, (Clean Monday). People wear carnival costumes and party in the streets and bars, throwing colored confetti to each other. The most famous Carnival parade takes place in the city of Patra. It is believed that this custom has pagan roots, and originates from the old festivities worshiping Dionysus, the God of Wine.

Greek Independence Day

The Greek Independence Day celebrates Greece's liberation from the Ottoman domination on March 25, 1821.

October 28: The "NO"

On October 28, the Greeks celebrate the day when Metaxas (a Greek General, appointed Prime Minister of Greece between April-August 1936 and dictator during the 4th of August Regime, from 1936 until his death in 1941), said no to the Italians who wanted to invade the country. It is the celebration of the heroic OXI (NO) many Greeks put a Greek flag on their windows while marches with students wearing a blue and white uniform and holding Greek flags are organized by schools.

Superstitions

In addition to being deeply religious, Greeks are very superstitious people and believe in the supernatural or the paranormal, but superstitions vary from region to region.

Bread

In Greece, especially in villages, bread is considered a gift of God. Because of that women bless the bread and make the sign of the cross with a knife before slicing it.

Evil Eye

Some Greeks believe that someone can catch the evil eye, or “matiasma”, from jealous or envious people. Those, who have caught the evil eye, usually feel bad physically and mentally. To avoid the matiasma one must wear a charm: a little blue marble glass with an eye painted on it or a blue bracelet. Blue is believed to be the color that protects against the evil eye but it is also believed that people with blue eyes can give matiasma. Garlic is another way to guard against the evil eye, and people often hang it in their houses.

Knives

Greeks never hand a knife to someone because they believe it will bring a fight with the person. Therefore they set it down on the table and let the other person take it.

Priests

Orthodox priests are revered and in villages the custom is to kiss their hand in respect when meeting them. But it is believed that seeing a black cat and a priest during the same day is bad luck.

Spitting

Some Greeks believe that spitting chases the devil away. That is why when someone talks about bad news (deaths, accidents, etc…) or compliments babies, children and even adults, the others slightly spit three times saying “ftou, ftou, ftou”.

Tuesday the 13th

Unlike the Western belief, in Greece the unlucky day is Tuesday the 13th and not Friday the 13th. Tuesday is considered to be the unluckiest day of the week because on Tuesday, May 29th, 1453 the city of Constantinople was besieged and taken by the Ottoman Turks. Greeks also consider the number 13 to be good luck and the main theory is the belief that having 12 apostles of Christ made Christ the 13th of the group. However, the combination of Tuesday and 13 as Tuesday the 13th of the month is considered a very unlucky day in Greek culture.

"Piase kokkino" (Touch Red)

Greeks believe that saying the same thing at the same time is an omen and the two people will get into a fight or an argument. Because of this, when people say the same thing together they must immediately follow by telling one another "piase kokkino" and both have to touch any red item they can find around them.

Greek Music

The word music itself comes from the Greek word musiki, meaning all the arts of the nine Muses. Greek music extends far back into Ancient times where it played an important role in the education system and boys were taught music from the age of six. Music in Ancient Greece included mixed-gender choruses performing for entertainment, celebration and spiritual reasons, and instruments such as the double-reed aulos, the plucked string instrument, the lyre, especially the special kind called a kithara.

Music was later influenced by the Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire. While the new technique of polyphony was developing in the West, the Eastern Orthodox Church resisted any type of change and Byzantine music remained monophonic and without any form of instrumental accompaniment, but in the same time this enabled the monophonic Byzantine chant to develop to the greatest heights of perfection.

Along with this chant, Greek people developed the Greek folk song which is divided into two cycles, the akritic and klephtic. The akritic was created between the 9th and 10th centuries A.D. and expressed the life and struggles of the akrites (frontier guards) of the Byzantine Empire. The klephtic cycle was born between the late Byzantine period and the start of the Greek War of Independence in 1821.

The events and social changes of the 20th century changed the fate of the folk song in Greece. After World War I and with the increased trend towards urban living popular musicians began congregating in Athens. The musical tradition, preserved in villages with little contact with the outside world, changed into a completely reverse direction today when commercialized folk songs reach remote villages.

Greece – International Movie Location

With its bright sunlight, beautiful nature, rich history and culture, Greece has been the favorite set for many movie directors, including Hollywood ones.

Some of the most famous pictures, filmed in Greece include: Boy on a Dolphin, starring Sophia Loren; Never on Sunday with Melina Merkouri (1960); Guns of Navarone with Gregory Peck and Anthony Quinn (1961); Zorba the Greek with Anthony Quinn (1964); the James Bond series movie For Your Eyes only, with Roger Moore as the 007 spy (1981); Summer Lovers (1982); Captain Corelli's Mandolin, starring Nicolas Cage and Penelope Cruz (2001); Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life, starring Angelina Joli (2003); Mamma Mia!, the legendary musical, starring Meryl Streep.

The best-known contemporary Greeks include the film-maker, Kostas Gavras, the Nobel Prize winner,, Odysseus Elitis and composer, Mikis Theodorakis.

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#46
Pagan - 21 Aug 2014 // 04:40:17

The religion of the early greeks was a form of pagan.... there was no christ there was zues

#45
Me yo - 21 Apr 2014 // 20:08:35

Soo much reading but very helpfully thank you person who posted this!!

#44
Alexandra11 - 14 Apr 2014 // 03:39:10

Who is the author?

#43
Ayla - 26 Feb 2014 // 18:13:52

wtf so long but so much info.

#42
greek girl - 14 Feb 2014 // 19:33:52

Spitting is and was true. Relatives of mine still do it. They are completely right. You are wrong.

#41
Gero - 11 Jan 2014 // 18:24:27

Most superstitions today in Greece like the Evil Eye and Touch Red are seen as humorous topics than actual beliefs. Most of Greeks don't believe in superstitions, but they use them as a tool of cunning to achieve a goal or transfer one bad event or failure to another person because they don't want to take responsibility for their actions. They believe that makes them submissive and act annoying so to prove they are dominating. Also some Greeks that actually believe in bad luck as an energy also believe in Friday 13 and Tuesday 13 as bad days and the number 13 is considered of bad luck in Greece.

'' Spitting

Some Greeks believe that spitting chases the devil away. That is why when someone talks about bad news (deaths, accidents, etc…) or compliments babies, children and even adults, the others slightly spit three times saying “ftou, ftou, ftou”. ''

Wow this is completely wrong! I don't know who wrote this but it's wrong. When somebody assumes a hypothetical death or makes a death wish the adults hit one wooden object with open palm or closed fist as a response of disagreement or pure superstition. Grandparents do that a lot. Greeks don't actually spit, this is wrong. They pretend to spit, but not when they hear a death wish or someone saying ''What if...''. They fake the action of the spit inside their chest when they pass an office for death rituals or a dead-carring car or anything to do with the death rituals. Also this is used for humour purposes most of the time. The ''ftou ftou'' part is called onomatopoeia.


''Most of the Greeks owe their names to a religious saint and in Greece name days are more important than birthdays.'' False. Very very very false I can't even stand the nonsense. Birthdays are always more important and name celebrations are too small in significance compared to birthdays, but of course there is one exception: Christmas. Anyone named Christos, Chris and even those who aren't named have very significant presence on this day. I took 150 Euros and I am not named Christos or Chris, but my brother took 200 Euros from the relatives. We were both important because in Greece everyone celebrates at the day of the Christmas.

#40
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#39
Nonya - 10 Dec 2013 // 03:43:13

I love Xmas

#38
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#37
greek sheik - 26 Nov 2013 // 16:33:46

I Love Greece

#36
Seedy - 7 Oct 2013 // 10:48:18

Tania, Tania, Tania: "there is such a thing as common sense." To quote Mark Twain: "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble; it's what you know for sure that just ain't so." "Common sense" is horribly uncommon and mostly not sense.

Saying these things are self-inflicted is like telling a woman with a handbag that her mugging is self-inflicted: if Greeks vote, they get crooks in government - if they don't vote, they get crooks in government. It's true that in the Good Old Days people in Greece didn't pay direct taxes, but that's because there were no direct taxes to pay; the economy still worked and people could still feed their families and, with the help of a "fakelaki", get medical/legal help and so on. The economy was simple and relied on some exports, family remittances from abroad and a burgeoning tourism industry. State institutions were unprofitable indeed, but what kind of a State seeks to make a profit from its own people anyway - don't they already own these institutions?

The problems arose when the Eurozone decided that it needed to expand and Greek politicians, like so many in othe EU countries, decided that some of the cash they were disbursing should be used for "charities", ie the ones which begin at home and end up in Switzerland. When someone "lends" you money which they hint you will never need to repay then why not borrow more on the same terms tomorrow and the day after? If you show the punters at home that something has been built/improved with EU funds thanks to your political acumen then why spoil the story by telling them that you and your cronies have actually stolen the rest?

When you employ people to run the country, and others to make sure they do it properly, all overseen by Brussels bean-counters then why wouldn't you assume that they are all doing their jobs properly, especially when budgets are presented which all add up and show everything is hunky-dory? If you try to question it, you're a trouble-making conspiracy theorist and a boat-rocker with paranoid delusions. When Brussels tells you that all's well in the world and here's a few billion more to tide you over, how are you supposed to know that they can't even get their own accounts signed off for over a decade?

To cap it all off, there's a bunch of overfed crooks running the country who didn't want to take the obvious step of telling the EU to go whistle for their money since the Eurozone might have collapsed - THAT was Greece's ace in the hole but the EU couldn't risk it being played. Now it's too late but I question whether things could be much worse anyway, especially after the fiasco in Cyprus - my view is that it's better to take your licking now and get it over with than slowly shuffle to the head of the queue where you'll get one anyway. ;)

Καλύτερα μιας ώρας ελεύθερη ζωή παρά σαράντα χρόνια σκλαβιά και φυλακή....

#35
Tania Oz - 7 Oct 2013 // 06:58:08

Seedy, I do know as much as anyone else generally what is going on in Greece now and since they joined the EU. I don't live in a vacuum. I am not an economist and don't pretend to be, but there is such a thing as common sense.

It is the culmination of many factors that has resulted in Greece's dire predicament and mostly all self-inflicted. Incompetent governing, political parties promising the world to garner voters support, corruption in government and private sector, lax or ineffective or non existant tax collection, spending way more than is collected in tax revenue, cheap lending, overbloated public service sector with little or do nothing jobs, citizens sense of entitlement to social security and living off the government, 14 month annual salaries, government fiddling with the books to enable to meet criteria for borrowing massive loans from anyone with no way to repay from GDP resources, unrestrained government spending and relying on more loans to pay off the old loans, constantly increasing and snowballing debt that they cannot even afford to pay the interest on it let alone repaying the principle, unprofitable state services and institutions, and the list goes on.

Greece has been living on a gravy train to no-where for ages and citizens had gotten used to it all and became very comfortable, living in a "no worries" lifestyle and living within that happy bubble; and now that all the facts and revelations have been exposed since the global financial slowdown/crises, they find the reality very different to what they thought it was, and it is very difficult to adjust their perceptions and to their new austere lifestyle. They cannot accept that Greece is broke and will be for probably another decade unless things change drastically, and they also cannot accept the fact that austerity measures have to be implemented. Some believe that their debt shouldn't even have to be repaid at all. Their reality is unbearable and understandably so. This is what happens to anyone or any nation that lives a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget. Sooner or later it will crash. And if the GFC didn't happen it was only going to compound the "Greek Tragedy" even further and with greater consequences to the rest of the world.

So I stand by my previous comments and I am sorry if "poor old Helen" has been given a hard time, but let's wait and see if she chooses to comment with her opinion which is welcome to me and everyone.

#34
Tania Oz - 6 Oct 2013 // 14:18:53

No Seedy, I did not get out of bed on the wrong side today.

As far as the rest of what you said, "Wow" and I am still processing that.

#33
Seedy - 6 Oct 2013 // 13:34:58

Wow, you got out of bed on the wrong side today, Tania

- the "deceased spouse life-pension" is simply fraud: you're required to inform the tax authorities in Greece if a relative dies, same as in other countries; if you don't then it takes time for them to catch up with you, just like in other countries. I'm sure there are plenty of people in Oz who conveniently "forget" to inform the pension service and get used to the extra lolly rolling in.

- Greece didn't run two sets of books to join the EU, it was common knowledge that they, along with pretty much every other member, didn't fulfil the entry criteria. However, what use is a club with no members? Rules were bent and blind eyes were turned for every applicant because the EU Social, Economic and Political Experiment was deemed to be so wonderful for Europe as a whole - and because so many politicos had bet their reputations on it: another "too big to fail" fiasco.

- there's no point blaming the voters of Greece, or any other country, for the sins of their political masters: you can only vote for those who stand for office, unless you live in a REAL democracy where "none of the above" is on the ballot. Otherwise you're told you're apathetic and will have to put up with what you get. The usual "qualification" to vote of being able to take one breath after another doesn't help much either.

- where Greece went wrong is believing the BS about the EU being a "good idea"; all that resulted was increase in the price of everything, subsidies stolen by the major parties who alternated in power, and the loss of all that made life in Greece something for the rest of Europe to envy when they went for their annual Shirley Valentine Fortnight beside the Med. The country worked because taxes on luxuries (which included cars) were high and life was simple - you had no car but you didn't need one as taxis were cheap and buses/trams/trains could get you anywhere. You didn't need to drive to the supermarket because you could walk there in the cities and the traders came to you in the country, while markets were everywhere.

Now Greece has the ridiculous scenario of the people who, both personally and via their families, have been stealing money for decades declaring a bunch of Right-wing dimbos a "criminal organisation" and trying to ignore the votes of hundreds of thousands of ordinary people. Apparently it's only criminal if some Nazi ape stabs a loud-mouth Commie but stealing billions and then forcing the whole country to repay it (and then stealing part of that as well) is okay; destroying the centre of Greek cities and killing bank employees in arson attacks is acceptable if you're a rabid Commie-Anarchist but thumping some illegal immigrant drug-dealer is beyond the pale if you happen to cast your vote to the Right....

Maybe you should find out a bit more about what's really going on in Greece before you give poor old Helen such a hard time? ;)