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Commenting article: Bulgaria's Ruling Party GERB: Armed and Dangerous

Giving pride of place to adherence to the party line over sound thinking might be characteristic of Bulgaria’s center-right GERB, but when it comes together with support for the free owning of guns, something really wrong must be going on.

This week GERB parliamentary group chair Krasimir Velchev gave an interview for the 24 Chasa wide-circulation daily, in which, among other things, he advanced some theses that went largely unnoticed by Bulgarian commentators, but are highly symptomatic of GERB’s style of action and level of insight into the very nature of political life.

Asked about the phenomenon of MPs leaving their parliamentary groups, Velchev quite naturally expressed disapproval, arguing that radical dissent means that one should resign as MP rather than stay in parliament under the banner of something else than the party that nominated him.

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#1
Mihail - 23 Mar 2011 // 23:53:58

The right to defend yourself from malicious persons is not unsound thinking, especially with the level of violent crimes in some neighborhoods in the BG large cities.

Here you have clearly misinterpreted the sentence "God's Ten Commandments of Politics" does not mean "God's Ten Commandments". Obviously he was referring to a piece of political satire.
He is making a wise observation. Would you prefer your friends to be loyal or intelligent? What is the exchange rate?

The BG army is very small. You assume that NATO (The US) can be trusted to enforce peace. What will happen in the unlikely event of civil war or war with another NATO nation? (Turkey has a far superior army in numbers and technology).

This is indeed a problem for all nations. When the government is infested with corruption and/or becomes a tyranny, there is no way for the people to preserve a free society if they don't have the weapons to instill fear in the ruling class or in malicious members of society. I do not necessarily agree with Velchev about the army training, I think that would be a very bad decision that will cause more brain drain, but I don't believe his argument is "unintelligent" as you have tried to argue. Name-calling will get us nowhere, but divide us even more.
I think (as do you probably) that Velchev is following a political strategy of creating issues to form a strong base for his party. He is feeding on the social problems of BG in the worst possible way.

The truth is that criminals DO have guns, the police is ineffective in stopping crime, and the judicial system is ineffective from punishing it (in BG). There are an enumerable number of debates on the issue of guns, mostly coming from the US. Like it or not, there is an extremely strong case for allowing ordinary people to have them. Anyone that likes "intelligence" can look here: http://intelligencesquaredus.org/index.php/past-debates/guns-reduce-crime/

#2
Al - 24 Mar 2011 // 12:56:19

Mihail,

Bulgaria is not Somalia.

The caveman logic, you bring to the table, might call for a rephrasing of the above given statement.

Bulgaria is not Somalia, yet.

Fortunately, its not too late to change things to the better.

You are not stupid and you know very well, that the right solution is not more guns.

Let me help you.

The keywords to a better future are "care, solidarity and discipline".

With elections coming up, it might make sense for all Bulgarians to consider the following question: "Who is willing and able to deliver the whole package?".

Think about it.

#3
Mihail - 24 Mar 2011 // 13:52:17

"The caveman logic, you bring...",
"Bulgaria is not Somalia"
"You are not stupid..."
"Let me help you."

These are very unhelpful words, they reveal an attempt to illegitimize my opinion. I am slightly offended by your attitude. Please try to respect my point of view and not to act like I am some sort of intellectual inferior that needs to be coached. Let's have a constructive debate, not a mud fight.

As per your comments...

You claim that people should be thinking about "care, solidarity and discipline". Can you elaborate on how you think this will solve our problems? I would like people to follow those things, but I don't see how that will solve the problems with law enforcement and national defense (this is after all what the editorial is about). Is it not dangerous to rely on such slogans?

It is hard for me to consider the question "Who is willing and able to deliver the whole package?". I have given up on this a long time ago. Look at all of human history including Bulgaria's recent democratic history. Where will you find this person?

#4
Al - 24 Mar 2011 // 14:59:39

Mihail,

I got angry, which made me offend you. But you're right. If I don't respect and try to understand your point of you, I'll not be able to change it.

You wrote: "You claim that people should be thinking about "care, solidarity and discipline". Can you elaborate on how you think this will solve our problems? I would like people to follow those things, but I don't see how that will solve the problems with law enforcement and national defense (this is after all what the editorial is about). Is it not dangerous to rely on such slogans?"

Yes, it is useless to rely on slogans alone.

The words "care, solidarity and discipline" are carefully chosen values. They cannot stand alone, but if you attach meaningful "slogans" to each of them, you will be able to communicate the meaning behind those values and, to transform them into wanted behaviour.

The challenge with values are, that a successful implementation requires wholehearted accept and active support from the top of the power hierarchy.

In a well functioning democratic society its the politicians, who transform their chosen values into action oriented "slogans", communicate them to the public and, perform as role models.

The latter is critical and seems like a big challenge in Bulgaria.

Now to the problems with law enforcement. No value driven role models on top of the system, no changes. Simple as that.

I have no knowledge or idea of any national defense problems. On the other hand, being a member of both Nato and the EU should provide reasonable protection against a thought invasion.

You also wrote: "It is hard for me to consider the question "Who is willing and able to deliver the whole package?". I have given up on this a long time ago. Look at all of human history including Bulgaria's recent democratic history. Where will you find this person?"

I find searching for the right "strong man" meaningless. Nothing wrong in a strong front figure with excellent communication skills, but that doesn't do the job.

A sound and strong political foundation starts at the roots.

I've often heard about the "decent Bulgarians", but they are invisible to me.

Give them a voice, and the future might change to the better.

#5
DrFaust - 24 Mar 2011 // 16:52:08

Hey Mihail,

I like your attitude, the attitude of a real man, not a pu**y like these other guys.

As I mentioned earlier I am just oiling my rocket launcher and my pump gun. Have to do some shopping in an extremely dangerous neighbourhood (potholes! dog shit!) that it makes me feel much better and secure. And the guy at the supermarket cashier better gives me correct change, otherwise I will shoot him in the nuts, yeah!

Sarcasm button on 'OUT' again.

#6
Mihail - 24 Mar 2011 // 19:51:26

DrFaust,

Thank you for the intelligent and witty remarks, I will now commit harakiri. But I'd like to point out some things before that.

"...oiling my rocket launcher and my pump gun"
Strange choice of action, I would use "loading" instead of "oiling". Issues with your sexual subconsciousness perhaps?

"...better gives me correct change..."
You need to use "give" here.

"Sarcasm button on 'OUT' again."
You were looking for the word "OFF", not "OUT".

Hope this helps in the future. Let me know if you need more information.

Ending the paragraph with "yeah!" is the kind of thing a real man would do. (I assume you are a man?)

#7
Mihail - 24 Mar 2011 // 20:01:40

Ok Al,

I understand your point now.

I am still not satisfied with this editorial, because I don't think the idea of people owning guns for protection is a bad idea. It has its positive sides, but the editorial and you both try to argue that the idea is ridiculous.

It is not ridiculous, we merely disagree I think on some fundamental things. The most important one is the reliance on an alliance for national security. I still don't have an answer for the _unlikely_ event of civil war or war against another nato nation.

#8
Nellieherself - 25 Mar 2011 // 01:07:43

Al

Democratic values are incompatible with the Balkan sensibility. Democracy is a life style choice, people have to want to live that way. Democracy can't be imported from outside. Values such as "care, solidarity and discipline" are incompatible with the Bulgarian psyche.

For the same reason I don't believe that the US will ever succeed to export democracy to the Middle East. Democracy is incompatible with Islam. No one can force people into democracy. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

#9
DrFaust - 25 Mar 2011 // 06:17:20

Hey Mihail,

it's called "seppuku", not "harakiri".

How do you say: "Hope this helps you in the future".

LOL

#10
temujin - 25 Mar 2011 // 11:30:26

Its called harakiri or seppuku hara kiri you duschtaschen.

#11
sa-sha - 25 Mar 2011 // 11:59:23

Blin, Nellie, You 've stolen my thoughts....Subscribe to EACH LINE of Your posting
(except 'Balkan'). Short, clear, logical. Absolutely the BEST. The only possible
difference: I'd post "ISLAM is incompatible with Democracy".......To emphisize that
the expected by me violation of '1973' , i.e. land operation, will bring negative
results only.... Is Gaddafi alone in the Arab World? These Arab Rulers, they are
all the same: Kings, Sheiks, Emirs...Same mentality, same modus vivendi, same
modus operandi.....Nothing apart from Growing Hatred as the reward to the West
for stiring their Moslem ANT-HILL............

#12
temujin - 25 Mar 2011 // 13:58:01

No Sascha the problem is present within Orthodox Christianity obviously. Look at all the Orthodox Chrstian country one dung hole to the next: Ukraine, Bulgaria, Belarus, Russia, Serbia all poor and stuck in the middle ages: feudal rule of kings and their peasants.

#13
Al - 25 Mar 2011 // 14:05:54

Nellie, you wrote: "Values such as "care, solidarity and discipline" are incompatible with the Bulgarian psyche."

Nah, I don't buy that.

It might be difficult - like diaper training a monkey - to transfer democratic values to a Bulgarian, but not impossible.

Hehe

#14
DP - 25 Mar 2011 // 15:32:10

"It might be difficult - like diaper training a monkey - to transfer democratic values to a Bulgarian, but not impossible."

Al, well put. After all, it is an old idea that was born in the Balkan country of Greece (or am I wrong;-)?) and it is still being "perfected" even in the most touted of all democratic places now...lol

#15
sa-sha - 25 Mar 2011 // 16:30:37

Temucjin, my posting was about West-Moslim World relations............
As to Ortodox Cristianity' countries: Your approach is disputable.......And please
note, I'm not saying 'wrong'...........

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