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#76
percy - 18 Sep 2009 // 19:51:20

Well what can I say?...... after looking at the link I was inspired and I've bought a couple of the 'bats' !!
I seriously doubt if it'll make any difference but we'll have fun trying!
I might start taking names now for the 2010 summer tournament (or if its boring then yawnament!) If nothing else..... as you say we'll get fitter trying ;-)
If anyone else has any brill idea's I'd love to hear them!!

#77
disbrit - 18 Sep 2009 // 22:39:17

Percy

From experience, I can say that there will be, somewhere, a person that Mr B will be wary of upsetting; and that is the person to whom you need to speak. A little gentle persuasion is called for, in this instance.

#78
NellieotAmerica - 19 Sep 2009 // 00:02:54

Percy

Killing a few bees might give you negotiating power. If the bee keeper wants his bees to stay alive, he has to move the hives.

#79
resipsaloquitur - 19 Sep 2009 // 15:39:36

Hello Percy,HOW do you want to prevent the expansion of his business?

WHY 20 bee-hives did not disturb you but 30 or 40 shall disturb you?

In order to get an injunctive relief,you ought to convince the judge,that

YOUR RIGHTS OF QUIT ENJOYMENT OF YOUR PROPERTY WERE TANGATED,VIOLATED?

You mist plead,that the increased number of bee-hives is disturbing the peaceful

use of your house.

The same requirements apply for the crap yard owner in case you want to open a

garage in your back yard and take business from him.

#80
percy - 19 Sep 2009 // 16:29:10

resipsaloquitur,
20 hives didnt cause much bother, certainly not enough to make a fuss over, remember as foreigners we do try to fit in and not cause a problem where there does not need to be one, but as time has gone on the number of hives grew and they did start to cause problems & put simply the more we told the keeper that the number of bees was becoming a problem -which he thought was amusing - the more hives he put in the garden! I don't want to take business away I just want him to move 40 or 60 hives that would still leave 20 beehives in the garden which isn't really a problem. He can become the biggest honey producer in BG as long as its not 4 meters from my front door!
Me personally I have NO desire to have bees...I'll get my honey from Kaufland thanks !!

We were advised to go to court for the very reason you said but were told that we'd not got much chance of winning and could end up paying a LOT of money in court costs - especially as the beekeepers daughter in law is a lawyer for the ministry of Agriculture!

We decided to go down what we thought was the common sense road - make him aware just how many people are effected and just how much it is spoiling life for people who live next to his hives,how dangerouse it can be, civil responcibility etc but unfortunately he does not care and the authorities seem even less interested- maybe because we're British I can't honestly say.

The scrap yard has nothing to do with us that was someone else.

#81
resipsaloquitur - 20 Sep 2009 // 00:16:26

NELLIE,

I had to laugh myself to death about your proposal to Percy to live under a mosquito net.


When I was a child ,my grandfather had also plenty of bee-hives...

we eat ONLY honey,my honey...NEVER SUGAR!

I was tought to be relaxed,when a bee approaches me and not to wave my hands...

this is the mistake,which many people here,in Grunewald,BERLIN do as here are may be

NOT civilized bees but wasps from the forest.

#82
NellieotAmerica - 20 Sep 2009 // 00:22:08

resi

How many bee hives did your family have? These poor Brits seem to be living next door to 80 bee hives. That's a lot of bees! How do you keep bees out of your hair and your clothing when there are hundreds of them around?

#83
resipsaloquitur - 20 Sep 2009 // 00:24:28

Hello WickedWich,

you are MISGUAIDED,my dear,

as you think people here;in the wondeful civilized Europe are more compassionate,neighbourly,friendly,loving,caring,

trusting and whatsoever than in BULGARIA!

My neighbour filed a claim (Many years ago)at the Amtsgericht against another neighbor,because she was

burning leaves in her,OWN garden.

The Environment Orotection department of the BГњRGERAMT made her to pay a fine of DM 1000,.

#84
NellieotAmerica - 20 Sep 2009 // 00:25:45

resi

I didn't tell Percy to live under a mosquito net, I said to build a pergola outside and to throw a mosquito net around it so there would be no bees bothering them while enjoying their outdoor space. Lots of people enclose their open porches with aluminum bug screens to keep the bugs away. If it works on mosquitoes, why not on bees?

#85
resipsaloquitur - 20 Sep 2009 // 23:18:21

Hello Percy,

It seems you filed the suit in the wrong court.

I Civil Court has ONLY jurisdiction for damages and remedies.

It does NOT have the power to STOP your neighbour to extend his business or TO

REMOVE the bee-hives from his property.

ONLY the Administrative Court can iussue such an ORDER and make him to REMOVE the bees.

You must prove that A DANGER FOR YOUR HEALTH AND LIFE is evolving from this

junk-yard,where the bees are located.


In my opinion a CLASS SUIT will have success.

If you can convince ALL residents of the village to sign a petition(Do not tell them you

want to take him to court!) to the Administrative Court(probably a devision of the

District Court),I am sure you could convince the judge,that THOSE BEE-HIVES OUGHT

TO GO!

Especially as you say it is a RESIDENTIAL area and the MOST IMPORTANT you MUST

insist there is A DANGER FOR YOUR WELL-BEING!

#86
resipsaloquitur - 20 Sep 2009 // 23:23:48

Oh,PERCY...PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ARE THE SAME!

In our law office we got a client,who wanted to sue his neighbour JUST because he

poored a bucket of rain water on his balcony!


AND THIS IN GERMANY,MY DEAR!

Here,in Berlin if you make music after 10 pm they will file a suit next day!

Some years ago therewas a case,when one neighbour sued another,because she was

burning leaves in her OWN garden.

#87
resipsaloquitur - 20 Sep 2009 // 23:47:30

Hello PERCY,

If the bee-keeper is so stubborn and does NOT take ANY REGARDS of health and life of

his neighbours,

you do not have aanother choice but to sue!

AND DO NOT LISTEN THAT BULGARIANS ARE TELLING YOU HIS DAUGHTER IN LAW OR

HIS FATHER IN LAW OR WHO KNOWS WHO IS A LAWYER!

My uncle in varna is also suing his neighbour FOR RIGHT OF WAY.

And please,please,DO NOT BRING THE ISSUE OF BEING FOREIGNER TO THE JUDGE!

Just tell him/her,that THE NUMBER OF BEE-HIVES ON YOUR NEIGHBOUR'S PROPERTY

INCREASED SO SIGNIFFICANTLY,that IT PRESENT A DANGER TO YOUR

HEALTH,WELL- BEING AND EVEN LIFE!

My son almost died 18 years ago as he was beaten by a wasp during his sleap.

We had had to take him to Charlottenburg Policlinic(Freie Universität Berlin) in the

middle of the night.

YOU MAY REPRESENT YOURSELF ..may be a solicitor is not necessery but I shall

recommend as you probably do not speak Bulgarian.

The LAW of TORTS gives you a right to QUIET ENJOYMENT AND PAECEFUL USE OF

YOUR PROPERTY and everybody,who violates these rights,ought to pay PUNITIVE

DAMAGES.

#88
resipsaloquitur - 20 Sep 2009 // 23:58:53

Percy,if you tell me where you reside,I will be able to find out which Court has a

jurisdiction.

#89
resipsaloquitur - 21 Sep 2009 // 01:19:03

Dear Percy,

WHO told you you do not have ANY chance of winning?

ARE THESE PEOPLE LAWYERS?

I do not know how much the BG courts charge as I never parctised law in Bulgaria but

probably in the REGIONAL COURT of Elhovo(I did not read all posts...NO time fo such a nonsense but I think you reside in Elhovo,do you?)

you can represent yourself.

The address of the REGIONAL COURT is Pirot Street.2.

Go there and ask the clerk if you can file a complain in this court?

Get someone who speaks Bulgarian with you or a translator.


Good luck!

#90
percy - 22 Sep 2009 // 14:03:01

resips'
Thanks for all your advice,unfortunately I know for a fact that the daughter in law is a lawyer for the Min' of Agriculture, and it was the lawyer that we approached about solving the matter who said that we didn't have much chance of winning our case! but was still happy to go to court at only 400 lev for his fees!
You are quite right Elhovo is the nearest town to us. I was advised by Henry who originally wrote the story to contact the local authorities and request a 'proverka' he then gave me the telephone number, I tried to do it yesterday only realising that the dreaded bank holidays were here so I'll have to ring again on Wednesday!
The law out here is so very different from in the UK, that we obviously have no option and have to believe what we're told! it gets very frustrating & very stressful !
Thankfully the cooler weather is coming so not so much trouble with the bees, but the big question is now do we persue this through the winter hoping to get it settled before next spring or wait until then so we can take up to minute pictures of just how many hives are next to our house?? I hope your uncle is successful in his case against his neighbour and thanks again for your advice I've copied it down so I have it to use when the time comes :-)

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