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#31
DP - 13 Feb 2009 // 21:50:21

“That's crap. I suppose there's an increase in baseball games because they're televised now? Don't be ridiculous. We simply didn't have those problems in "my day". They're a new development in your "modern" society.

I spent ten years in the Navy without ever having a drug case. That, too, is a "modern" development. Development; not an improvement.”

Bill,

With all due respect, but all that you are saying here is crap. If you have paid attention drugs are not “modern” development. Just reading some literature would have helped. Anna Karenina used morphine (it was accepted drug for alleviating depression/melancholy), Sherlock Holms took cocaine, and have you heard of the dens the people in London went to get stoned? Look at the world of Dickens and tell me what kind of society did he describe?

Many cultures (Asian, Middle Eastern, African, South American) include the use of drugs. And since you are not racists according to your claim you should accept those cultures as good as any European /North American as valid examples.
It looks like you have been growing up in a fish ball and have developed a great fondness for plastic paradise...

And here is a piece of great music to calm you down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df-eLzao63I

#32
Bill - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:10:13

DP:

You overlooked the opium dens of eastern Asia.

Let's ust say it wasn't part of OUR culture in MY day. What's happened since doesn't change that.

#33
xNELLIEx - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:10:51

DP

Great music - thanks for the link.

#34
JKS - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:11:20

Bill

"If the adults of today had been raised by caring, loving parents in a secure home environment, these problems never would have arisen."

Bill I don't think you understand the nature of evil.

These problems would have arisen even with the nuclear family (actually as DP said have always been there.)

With all your "biblical literacy" I would have thought you knew this.

The answer to the nature of evil is not as quaint as a good mom and dad.

#35
just me - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:14:47

"That's crap. I suppose there's an increase in baseball games because they're televised now? Don't be ridiculous."

Bill, that is just the point that DA is making. There may or may not be more baseball, but now that baseball is televised, there is a much greater awareness of baseball in society. The viewership is much higher than it was before TV and night games. You can't open a newspaper without reading about some All Star player using steroids. You can't escape the stats, etc.

By the same token, there probably has not been an increase in altar boy abuse in the Catholic Chuch either, it's just that so many things that were hidden from the public eye before are exposed in the media. Things like teenage pregnancy fall under this unbrella as well. It happened, but the shame of the family kept it a secret. Alcoholism, mental illness, domestic abuse, drugs... have they increased, or are they simply more visible (and seen as treatable!) now?

Back to the topic of parenting. I think we all agree that a mother's role is critical to a child's development. Tell me, Bill, what is the role of the father in a child's development? Regardless of whether the mother stays home to care for the home and family (as I do, incidentally) or not, does the father have an emotional responsibility in addition to his financial and, presumably, lawn care and automotive maintenance duties? You have repeatedly voiced your opinion on mothering, so now let's hear what dads are supposed to do for the children's wellbeing.

In both traditional families and in dual career families, I'm seeing some great dads in my community. They take their parenting as seriously as they take their careers, and that's just great for all involved. I think the women's fight for equality in the workplace has come full circle toward men improving their position within the family. It's empowering for both men and women, and it benefits children to see parents on equal footing.

#36
xNELLIEx - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:18:04

Bill

"Let's ust say it wasn't part of OUR culture in MY day. What's happened since doesn't change that."

What culture and what day are you referring to? US in the 1950ies? American rural culture has not changed all that much. It is just that you haven't been exposed to your culture for 40 years and all you know of your culture is what you see on the news. Seriously, Bill, the US is much the way you left it in the 50ies in places like Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota.

I have a feeling you are talking about present-day European - German culture when you are being so disapproving and judgmental. Have you been dating too many German manipulative sluts?

#37
Bill - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:18:37

jks:

"The answer to the nature of evil is not as quaint as a good mom and dad."

No, it isn't, but like bandages, immunization shots and medicine, it helps to keep the infection from spreading. If you can arm your own kids to be aware of and refuse to participate in these things, you've done all you can for them. From there on, it's their choice.

#38
JKS - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:26:06

Let me remind you of what you said:

"If the adults of today had been raised by caring, loving parents in a secure home environment, these problems NEVER would have arisen."

*emphasis mine :)

#39
xNELLIEx - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:49:17

Bill

Rest assured your culture is alive and well in the US. You have chosen not to participate in it. You have chosen to live in Europe, where the culture is much more liberal and edgy than in the US.

#40
JKS - 13 Feb 2009 // 22:50:24

Something else to consider, you often tout the virtues of "your" generation and decry those of the "modern" one.

At some point the children of "your" generation the ones that grew up with mom at home became the vile "modern" generation.

for the sake of argument (one that I don't necessarily agree with) lets say the old generation was better than the new.

Looks like the immunization wasn't to effective...

#41
Hairydave - 13 Feb 2009 // 23:09:34

Bill - it seems to me that the reason you never married is that you didn't so much want a wife as a domestic servant.
Or to be more fair - your concept of womanhood is somewhat short of treating a woman as an equal partner in a relationship - and lots of women don't like that - and I think that is understandable.
When you say "Women have tried all these tricks on me, and they get upset when they find them useless. I don't like being manipulated, and I don't play that game" that's because you've never been in love and allowed yourself to be manipulated.
It's not real manipulation, but sometimes you bend for the simplest reason of all "it made her smile".
Anyway - you've lived your life you way you thought fit and hopefully when that dear ol' chap known s the grim reaper turns up you'll be able to say "yep, that was life, and it was alright"

#42
just me - 13 Feb 2009 // 23:09:59

JKS,
That's an excellent point! It was the awesome (?) parenting skills of Bill's generation that got us into this mess... if this actually is a mess!

Bet you know your way around your kid's (pre)school.
jm :)

#43
JKS - 13 Feb 2009 // 23:17:26

"Bet you know your way around your kid's (pre)school."

Sure do...it's our living room (Bill would be proud :)

Still not used to these small European apartments. Although I am learning the technique of space saving/not hoarding :)

#44
DP - 13 Feb 2009 // 23:23:55

"Let's ust say it wasn't part of OUR culture in MY day. What's happened since doesn't change that."

Bill,
It did happen in YOUR culture and in YOUR day, before YOUR day and after YOUR day. Drugs were forever and they will stay forever. Being a realist does not mean being immoral.

#45
DP - 13 Feb 2009 // 23:26:02

Nellie,
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