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#31
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:21:58

I guess I have to be exact here:
I was only talking about industry and means of production.

Also rental property was nationalized, - apartments and such - in time.

#32
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:23:34

That's what I said DP.
Read more carefully.

#33
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:25:47

CJB stay with trashing Bulgaria.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

#34
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:33:01

"Bulgaria and Cuba and the Ukraine just to see what a long term exposure to socialism and communism can do to a place..."

Nellie you know very well that they will draw the wrong conclusions, right?
People find facts to justify their feelings.
First Cuba is very different.
For Cuba they will say: see, that's what the US embargo has done!
For Bulgaria: see, that's what unrestrained Capitalism has done!

#35
DP - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:44:11

"I guess I have to be exact here:
I was only talking about industry and means of production.

Also rental property was nationalized, - apartments and such - in time."

Kolegialen,
The point I was making is that the laws of ownership had little to do with the nationalisation. The city properties (used for commercial use) were nationalized at the same time as the means for production were. There were no big industrial complexes in existence to be nationalised.

The nationalisation was carried out without destroying the ownership laws. There was no need for that. The owners of those properties were designated as enemy of the people who had gained their wealth by exploitation and therefore were branded as незаконно забогатели crooks (Marxists justification).


BTW according to the Marxist dogma there is difference between private and personal property as far as ownership goes. And in this respect there could have been some adjustments made in the ownership laws. It is a grey area but....

This turned into four stotinki post... lol

#36
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:49:02

"..you're welcome to leave the US any time you want, preferably sooner.."

Amen brother!
Dude, you are thick with God - put in a good word for this Bulgarian, would ya?:
1/2 million in non-taxable income (deposited in my Bulgarian registered company) - location unimportant - China, India, South America.

Billy, my only problem with Americans in BG is the view.
Not so much that they ruin it, which they do, but they actually block it!

Billy - just imagine us skinny Bulgarians trying to catch a glimpse of our own babes on the beach, between various forms and shapes of pure fat!
Not to mention the very real danger here of one of those seals actually stepping on you, as you fall a sleep on the sand....

#37
Bill - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:52:38

Kolegialen:

The best descroГјtopm I've ever heard of a crowded beach was on a British show.

"We went on holiday to the seaside. I wouldn't say the beach was crowded, but if the woman in front of me hadn't had her ears pierced, I'd never have seen the water."

#38
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:56:35

"The nationalisation was carried out without destroying the ownership laws."

That's a contradiction.
Ownership laws were destroyed by making it illegal to own means of production. They didn't just declare the owners enemies, they made it impossible for any one to acquire property in the future too.
I am not talking about personal dwellings, although there was a limit on that too. I believe that 120 sqm living space was the top limit for one family right?

#39
Bill - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:56:56

Kolegialen:

"descroГјtopm "

Read "description".

Try working in a shady nook with a black keyboard! Besides which, It's a German keyboard, and several things aren't in the place I'm accustoned to having them.

#40
xNELLIEx - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:58:23

koplega

"Billy - just imagine us skinny Bulgarians trying to catch a glimpse of our own babes on the beach, between various forms and shapes of pure fat!"

Those slabs of fat belongs to Russians, not to Americans. Have you EVER seen a fat American topless on a beach anywhere? Americans wear one-piece bathing suits, even the slim ones. I have seen old, fat Russian babes topless in Bulgaria! And the Bulgarian babes are not that skinny, either. All the good-looking slim blonds you are looking at are not Bulgarian but Northern Europeans - Germans, Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Brits, Duch. All the squat, dark, hairy ones are the Bulgarian babes. lol

#41
DP - 3 Feb 2009 // 17:58:34

"That's what I said DP.
Read more carefully."

Kolegialen,

Since you did not quote me I don't know what you mean. I was referring mainly about how the nationalisation was justified and how it was carried out.

Also, you mentioned Kremikovtsi and that was a big WOW for me. There were more rich people based on the city property criteria ( people who lived of it-rentiers) than industrialists. There were a couple of families that owned the existing factories (in Pernik and in Plovdiv, in Gabrovo and Sliven).

I did indulge myself into extra explanation but this doesn't mean it was directly relating to your comments.

#42
DP - 3 Feb 2009 // 18:09:50

"Ownership laws were destroyed by making it illegal to own means of production."

Kolegialen,

In a society ruled by decrees you don't need to destroy laws--they were vastly ignored. What happened to the rights we were given by the Constitution? What laws were followed in the cases of gulags and the executions of the Elected Members of Parliament (The People's court circus?).

If the commies wanted to go back to legalise back the private ownership of the means of production all they had to do is issue a decree, and Voila!

#43
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 19:05:25

I said:
"Not until the mid - 90's there was a serious attempt to restitute property and not really industrial facilities, most of which were not existing in 1947 any way.
Who owned Stomana or Kremikovci? (extreme examples) in 1947?."
(answer: no one, because - look above - they didn't exist)

You said:
"Kolegialen, Stomana, Kremikobtsi, the chemical plant in Dimitrovgrad, the metalurgical plants in Pernik did not exist in 1948."

The same thing.

DP my point is not about what was and what wasn't nationalized, but about the fact that in 1989 we found ourselves in a land without clear property rights for and ownership the industrial means. No laws either.

Free for all. If UK or US went through the same, my guess is that they will be even more corrupt, being the greedy and nasty people that they are...

#44
Kolegialen - 3 Feb 2009 // 19:09:57

"All the squat, dark, hairy ones are the Bulgarian babes. lol"

You should know that - you see one of them every morning in the mirror;)

dumb old whore;)

#45
DP - 3 Feb 2009 // 20:05:55

"Not until the mid - 90's there was a serious attempt to restitute property and not really industrial facilities, most of which were not existing in 1947 any way.
Who owned Stomana or Kremikovci? (extreme examples) in 1947?."

Kolegialen,

Since you are talking about restitution of private property nationalised in 1948 (1947?) mention of non-existent industries seem out of context and I did not get your meaning. I still don't. Kremikovtsi was state owned and there is no question regarding that.

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