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Commenting article: Bulgaria Ethnic Turks Pretty Sure to Be in Next Govt

The leader of the ethnic Turkish party has expressed reserved confidence that his formation will be among the ruling parties after the general elections in the summer.

"I pray to God, but who knows," Ahmed Dogan jovially said when asked whether or not his party will be part of the country's next government.

Ahmed Dogan, whose party Movement for Rights and Freedoms (MRF) is part of the current Socialist-led ruling coalition and is a key player in the country's political life, appeared surprisingly in parliament on Wednesday. He is known to be among the lawmakers playing truant most often and has attended no more than ten parliamentary session during the last four years.

The occasion for his presence in parliament turned out to be the 65th anniversary of his party fellow Yunal Lyutfi.

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#1
Bill - 10 Apr 2009 // 12:49:23

WW:

"I think I'll go back to that."

Please do! Nearly every post from you is some form of instruction, and you say I'M trying to be a paragon of knowledge? Pot calling the kettle black if I ever saw it.

One thing which amazes me is, since you look doan on nearly everyone and have this desperate need to "educate" us, is how you manage tolive in the rarified atmosphere up there!

Not being able to read (outside of dyslexia) or refusal to read is "willful" ignorance in my book. Perhaps not yours,but I didn't consider the "willful" so important as you apparently do in this post.

But then anything for an argument.

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WickedWitch - 10 Apr 2009 // 09:59:56

Yeah, see? Reading comprehension - you need to get you some of that.

1. The phrase is "willful ignorance" not ignorance. It features prominently in that sentence and has a very different meaning from that of the word ignorance.

2. The meaning I ascribe to said phrase is very different from your since I think you're trying to hold yourself up as a paragon of enlightenment and I think you are the living embodiment of willful ignorance.

And, having to write all this to explain the obvious which could have been avoided by, I don't know... you reading, reminds me why I started ignoring you in the first place. I think I'll go back to that.

#3
Bill - 10 Apr 2009 // 09:20:46

WW;

What phrase? The word was "ignorance", and we did agree. How can you define that differently?

(Oh, well, for someone with your penchant for argument and slamming, I suppose you can change anything if it's arguable.)

#4
WickedWitch - 10 Apr 2009 // 02:27:57

No Bill, we don't agree because we have very different definitions of the phrase.

#5
Bill - 10 Apr 2009 // 00:48:01

WW:

"(Notice how I didn't say willful ignorance which is the main thing I consider a major flaw.)"

I don't know if I can stand the shock. We agree on something!!

People come to my home and marvel at two walls covered with books. I go to their homes and there's not a book in sight. I don't go preaching it, but if anyone asks me about it, I tell them I learned a long time ago. You either read or remain ignorant.

With the internet, this reading is easier than ever--I'm still awed by the amount of stuff that's out there--so there's less excuse now than before its invention.

I bristle when someone tells me I don't have a right to have an opinion on something I haven't experienced personally. That's what books are for. So we can learn from the experience of others. We don't live long enough to experience everything.

#6
fishbrain - 9 Apr 2009 // 23:46:56

"Can you have families and procreation without sex? "

yup

#7
WickedWitch - 9 Apr 2009 // 23:12:51

Bill,

I do not consider myself a gift to the world. I was not given to the world. If I were, I'd share my total awesomeness with everyone, not the approximately one percent of people I am not permanently annoyed/bored by.

I am a gift to myself and that's about enough since I can think of a person I'd like more to enjoy me. :-) I think if more people thought that way there would be less insecure arseholes who try put others down for their gender/sexual preferences/race. (Notice how I didn't say willful ignorance which is the main thing I consider a major flaw.)

#8
Bill - 9 Apr 2009 // 21:01:30

WW:

So long as you consider yourself such a gift from heaven to the world, you can still qualify.

#9
WickedWitch - 9 Apr 2009 // 20:33:48

Bill,

If I were a snob, I'd go to a snobbish place. This ain't one.

#10
Bill - 9 Apr 2009 // 20:20:36

WW:

Keep working at it. You may win the "snob of the year" award yet!

#11
WickedWitch - 9 Apr 2009 // 19:50:46

Bill,

Well, I know you stick by your principles only when they are convenient. No need to remind me.

I don't put on a show, lambchop. That's all me. And it's quite sad that you deem yourself important enough for a stranger to put on a show for you or for the ragtag bunch of logically-impaired refuse and trolls who have just rediscovered the wheel of trolling inhabiting this forum as of late.

#12
Bill - 9 Apr 2009 // 17:42:53

Nellie:

"Can you have families and procreation without sex?"

No, you can't, but sex is a very private thing between the individuals involved. As a female columnist once worded it, "sex is not a spectator sport".

Here in Germany, it's almost impossible to avoid porn films on TV after midnight. I don't watch any more than I have to, but what I see is pure crap. These flims are shot scene-by-scene, and I can't imagine anyone with the endurance that an uninterrupted performance would need.

So yes, if I may word it that way, there's a big difference between discreet sex and lurid sex. I long for the old days, when the camera discreetly panned away when things got hot. I'm not interested in sitting through a quarter hour of someone else's sex life.

As to WW'S accusation of vulgarity, have you ever seen me use the foul language which is common on this forum? In a fit of anger, possibly, but not as a general rule. I simply don't use that kind.

As one of the presidents of the Church once worded it, "Profanity is the protest of an ignorant mind against its inability to express itself".

#13
NellieotAmerica - 9 Apr 2009 // 16:30:14

Chushle

WW wrote: "I know your industry hasn't been hit by the recession as much so I'm guessing you're still having fun, huh?"

I shudder to think what kind of industry you are in - prostitution comes to mind, drug smuggling, gun running, terrorism, armed robbery........all of the above?

#14
NellieotAmerica - 9 Apr 2009 // 16:18:13

Bill

You are missing the point. There is nothing wrong about a man showing sexual restraint. Quite the opposite. I think a man showing sexual restraint is a real turn-on. It has NEVER happened to me. That's why I am so fascinated with Mormon men. It could be an interesting experience.

Oh, and another thing - there is nothing vulgar about sex, your whole Church is based on sex, procreation, and the family. Can you have families and procreation without sex? Virgin birth is only possible if you are Catholic. I rest my case.

#15
Bill - 9 Apr 2009 // 15:11:13

WW;

No, i'm only vulgar when I get treated vulgarly. One of the reasons you put on this big show of superiority is because it's a facade you're hoping no one will see through.

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