Donbass Rebels 'Down Two Ukrainian Su-25 Fighters'
Pro-Russian rebels in the east of Ukraine reportedly shot down two fighter jets of Kiev's military forces, agencies from the country said.
According to the press service of the so-called "anti-terrorist" operation's headquarters, two Su-25 aircraft were shot near the Savur-Mogila memorial, in the Shakhtarsk region near Russia's border.
The incident with the crashed Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, at which a missile was allegedly fired on Thursday resulting in the dead of all 298 on board, also happened in the Shakhtarsk region.
The Russian daily Vedomosti argues only one of the planes was shot near the site of Thursday's tragic event, but at the same time quotes representatives of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic as confirming Ukrainian army reports.
No connection between the events has been reported.
However, information initially provided by Ukrainian authorities suggests pro-Russian rebels might have used Russian-made Buk anti-missile systems, the same with which the Boeing 777 was purportedly targeted.
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Sorry to interfere, Optimistic. "Those countries", France at least, would deal with "those Russians" anyway.
Business goes first. And it doesn't matter whether "Russia is "guilty"[!?] or not.*
* "guilty"---it's the modern USA rulers' general stance to Russia. Why? Because those damned Russians prefer
to live their own life. They think that it's FAR better than to lick. Those damned Russians.
Voice of Ukraine interesting comment.
The CIA says Russia is not responsible.
France is still going to complete the aircraft carriers deals with Russia.
The UK is still supplying Russia with ground to air missile parts and air to air missle parts.
German business doesnt want serious sanctions against Russia.
These countries would not deal with Russia if Russia was guilty.
Don't avoid the answer and state your IP
Yes. you are DrFaust, Mephisto, Behemoth and Behemoth2
You used to post under Behemoth for a while and then you switched over to Behemoth2 (probably Behemoth user name was being used by you without any protection: proxy server or something else)
That's why it would be interesting if Novinite looked for your Behemoth IP
Russophobe has perfect English but I dout that he will find a perfect explanation to the fact that Ukraine is still mourning for the victims of IL - 76 and European Boing. We have many actions here in Kharkiv dedicated to these catastrophes. Every day we are praying for our soldiers who are struggling to save lives of the victims of Russian propaganda and at the same time to kill terrorists. Bloody facists would have never chosen such a merciful tactic. Today one of our friend in Facebook was killed by russian unit of mercenaries who tried to hide the evidence of using "Grad" system by russian regular military squad near Donetsk. All people - among them our Vladimir Butenko - who happened to appear at the wrong place in a wrong time -were killed by russians. If we have hunta here, then why people in Kramatorsk ( 15 minutes from Slavyansk) gave our soldiers things and products for free at the market today. My mother-in-law has just talked to us about it. May God judge you as you, putinoids, judge my people! Let us go, bloody imperialists!
Atlanticist you are a liar. Russia is not responsible for the downing of flight MH 17.
This comes from the US intelligence service.
The Kiev government had fighters in close proximity to MH17 before it was attacked.
We need to find out what type of missle brought down MH17 was it ground to air or was it air to air.
The Kiev air traffic controllers sent MH 17 into a war zone at the same altitude as the Kiev fighters then removed the recordings between MH17 and the Kiev air traffic controllers.
Russia did not have anything to do with this, it is against Russian interests.
Malak Pito, that's like saying when women wearing mini skirts get raped and people that go walking in the park at night get killed or people waiting for public transport in Tsarigradsko get run over by drunk taxi drivers, it's all their fault. The logic that the victims are criminals and the criminals innocent is very Soviet! Makes no sense. The guilt here is Russia, that supplied weapons to criminals in Ukraine that killed 298 innocent people.
Every authority that sends a plane full of women and children above a front line attacked with assault jets and defended with missiles is criminal.
The solders on the ground do not see Boeing 777 or Sy24. They see a speck ......a light dot on the screen and they expect attack and they have split second to react.
The thermal warhead do not see Boeing 777 either!!!!!!
It sees the infrared radiation of the engine.
All the rest is useless and irresponsible fog of words.
How high the SU 25 or 24 or MIG 31 or etch can fly???
How long the ranges of the missiles are...
who has what...
These Su 25s can fly at a maximum height of 22,956 feet, the Kiev air traffic controllers made flight MH17 fly at 23,000 feet.
MH17 had filed a flight plan to fly at 25,000 feet but the Kiev controllers forced it to fly at 23,000 feet according to Malaysian Air.
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I know why Russophobe is so pissed off at Russia and anything Russian. I bet he was married to a Russian girl, because he's so fat and ugly that he couldn't find a decent wife in his country, and the Russian girl got citizenship, got his money, got his home and sent him to the cleaners. And now he's trying to get even.
And I wonder how come he finds all the time to spend on the web? I bet he's unemployed living off welfare and food stamps....
First off, the so called "rebels", should be called MILITIAMEN, as they call themselves ополченец, because they defent themselves from the gangsters from KIEV who overthru the legitimate government thru coup d'etat.
And they have been shooting down Ukranian military jets for some time now to defend themselves from indiscriminat bombing of civilians by thous SU-25, which ae Ground Attach Fighters, flying low and slow. As a result they can be shot down by a shoulder fired missile which reaches up to about 4-5K.
Have you seen the devastations of completely destroyed cities and towns in Eastern Ukraine? And you expect them to sit down and take it?
"Russophobe are you absolutely sure you are not Romanian? "
You know Einar maybe i am a bit Eastern European after all, there's a saying in English: "You are what you eat" and i've eaten so much Eastern pussy that maybe i've become a bit of a beast from the east myself.
By the way, Russian ladies are real cum guzzling whores.........They'll suck your cock for a buck.
Read the comments, owned so bad!